Homepage misses search field and visible wiki link

[Honza Horak]

Hi guys,

mostly as UX-beginner I dare to propose the following changes on the 
Fedora Project homepage (http://fedoraproject.org):

* include a search field for wiki with proper text like:
     Search wiki pages: [________] [go]
   (well, ideally it would search for everything, like packages, builds, 
services, doc, wiki pages, ...; but I know it would need too much work)

* add one more link to the wiki somewhere more visible than only in the 
footer (I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't remember the wiki url 
and returns to the wiki very often through the homepage)

Regards,
Honza

[Elad Alfassa]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi guys,
>
>  mostly as UX-beginner I dare to propose the following changes on the
>  Fedora Project homepage (http://fedoraproject.org):
>
>  * include a search field for wiki with proper text like:
>      Search wiki pages: [________] [go]
>    (well, ideally it would search for everything, like packages, builds,
>  services, doc, wiki pages, ...; but I know it would need too much work)
>
>  * add one more link to the wiki somewhere more visible than only in the
>  footer (I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't remember the wiki url
>  and returns to the wiki very often through the homepage)
>
>  Regards,
>  Honza
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Hi.

I don't think it's a good idea. The wiki is not for users, it's for
contributors. Most of it will be really confusing for users.
We do have a link to the wiki near the header, it's called "Contributors"
cause the wiki is for contributors.

A more prominent wiki link would probably fit as part of the new hub.fpo
contributor hub idea.


Regarding search, there has been plans for years to have a search system
for the entire fedora ecosystem, unfortunately nobody ever implemented that
and I don't think anyone is working on that.
-- 
-Elad Alfassa.

[Honza Horak]

On 03/04/2014 04:33 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      Hi guys,
>
>      mostly as UX-beginner I dare to propose the following changes on the
>      Fedora Project homepage (http://fedoraproject.org):
>
>      * include a search field for wiki with proper text like:
>           Search wiki pages: [________] [go]
>         (well, ideally it would search for everything, like packages,
>      builds, services, doc, wiki pages, ...; but I know it would need too
>      much work)
>
>      * add one more link to the wiki somewhere more visible than only in
>      the footer (I believe I'm not the only one who doesn't remember the
>      wiki url and returns to the wiki very often through the homepage)
>
>      Regards,
>      Honza
>      --
>      websites mailing list
>      websites(a)lists.fedoraproject.__org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      https://admin.fedoraproject.__org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>      <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites>
>
>
>  Hi.
>
>  I don't think it's a good idea. The wiki is not for users, it's for
>  contributors. Most of it will be really confusing for users.
>  We do have a link to the wiki near the header, it's called
>  "Contributors" cause the wiki is for contributors.
>
>  A more prominent wiki link would probably fit as part of the new hub.fpo
>  contributor hub idea. 
I don't agree that wiki is for contributors only, not even mostly for 
contributors. There is a lot valid information for users as well.

>  Regarding search, there has been plans for years to have a search
> system
>  for the entire fedora ecosystem, unfortunately nobody ever implemented
>  that and I don't think anyone is working on that. 
So why not to add a simple "Search wiki" for now and change it if anyone 
comes with a better solution?

Honza

[Elad Alfassa]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  I don't agree that wiki is for contributors only, not even mostly
> for
>  contributors. There is a lot valid information for users as well. 

We discussed this in length when we worked on the last website redesign (I
think it was f14 or f13. long time ago)... I don't remember all the
arguments for and against, but this was agreed in collaboration with the
Fedora design team.


>  So why not to add a simple "Search wiki" for now and change
> it if anyone
>  comes with a better solution?
>
>  If it was just another release, I'd say "bring this up in the design
list", but it isn't: we are reworking all Fedora Project websites from the
ground up for Fedora.Next: now is not the time for changes in the current
version of the website.

-- 
-Elad Alfassa.

[Honza Horak]

On 03/04/2014 04:50 PM, Elad Alfassa wrote:
>  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Honza Horak <hhorak(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>      I don't agree that wiki is for contributors only, not even mostly
>      for contributors. There is a lot valid information for users as well.
>
>
>  We discussed this in length when we worked on the last website redesign
>  (I think it was f14 or f13. long time ago)... I don't remember all the
>  arguments for and against, but this was agreed in collaboration with the
>  Fedora design team.
>
>      So why not to add a simple "Search wiki" for now and change it if
>      anyone comes with a better solution?
>
>  If it was just another release, I'd say "bring this up in the design
>  list", but it isn't: we are reworking all Fedora Project websites from
>  the ground up for Fedora.Next: now is not the time for changes in the
>  current version of the website.
>  
I see, ok then.

Honza