Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org

[Richard E. van der Luit]

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> Message: 1 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:43:08 -0500 From: Máirín
> Duffy  To: Karsten 'quaid' Wade
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> On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
>
> The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they want
> to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not 
> start.fedoraproject.org.
>
> E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
>
> So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser (Firefox 
> provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too) that shows
> your most frequently visited sites so you can easily click to
> access them, since that's what you really want to do.
>
> ~m
>
> Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:04:07 -0600 From: Sijis Aviles
>  To: Máirín Duffy
>  Cc: [e-mail] 
> Subject: Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org Message-ID: 

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> 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy
> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >
> > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> > want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not 
> > start.fedoraproject.org.
> >
> > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >
> > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> > (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> > that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> > click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >
> > ~m
> >
> > -- websites mailing list [e-mail] 
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
> I agree with Mairin, the most folks would want to go to their own
> website after the launch the browser.
>
> The only way I could think of having start.fedoraproject.org being
> of any use it to link the user to the corresponding Release Notes
> [1] (as an example). This way the user would have a quick glance of
> what's new and what has changed and they go on with their daily
> business. Another reason for going to that page is the "CommonBugs"
> page which is important, especially after an upgrade.
>
> Unless we something like I mention above is done, my thought
> recently has been to remove it or maybe just replace start.fp.o
> with  fedoraproject.org
>
> Sijis
>
> [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_release_notes 
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> Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:01:55 +0200 From: Elad Alfassa
>  To: Máirín Duffy
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> 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy
> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >
> > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> > want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not 
> > start.fedoraproject.org.
> >
> > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >
> > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> > (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> > that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> > click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >
> > ~m
> >
> > -- websites mailing list [e-mail] 
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
> I'd say we keep Firefox's default about:home, we don't change
> default homepage in other browsers, so we shouldn't change it on
> Firefox as well (stick to upstream policy).
>
> The dashboard idea sounds good though, especially because more
> GNOME applications are going to have these soon ( 
> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Blank%20slate%20helps%20you%...).

We could install this Firefox extension you are talking about by default
> with Fedora if it's stable enough (and 100% free with no legal
> issues). If you link me to the specific extension, I'll try to get
> it packaged (if it isn't already), which is the first thing we need
> to make it default.

As some of you probably know, i always have an eye on peoples privacy,
therefor i think it is Fedoras responsibility to guard ones privacy
whenever and where ever it can, as being Free in so many ways.

Opening a web browser to an outside site always immediately generates
privacy-data to that site, whether the user wants it or not (at least
you generate IP-traffic).

There are many people who always want to be in control of what data
they send, when and to whom.

The only good choice imho the Fedora Project can make regarding this
issue, is starting with a local page or with 'about:blank' thus
letting users choose by their selves where to go next on the web.

regards
Richard
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google search on start.fedoraproject.org

[Elad Alfassa]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Richard E. van der Luit
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> Op 03-02-12 03:07, [e-mail] schreef:
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> > Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Máirín Duffy) 2.
> >
> > Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Sijis Aviles) 3. Re:
> > google search on start.fedoraproject.org (Elad Alfassa) 4. Re:
> > [Fedora Infrastructure] #3108: Fedora websites in Polish don't
>
> work
> > (Fedora Infrastructure) 5. Re: [Fedora Infrastructure] #3108:
> > Fedora websites in Polish don't       work (Fedora Infrastructure) 6. Re:
> > emails and spam harvesters. (Christopher Meng)
> >
> > Message: 1 Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:43:08 -0500 From: Máirín
> > Duffy  To: Karsten 'quaid' Wade
> >  Cc: [e-mail] Subject:
> > Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org Message-ID:
> >  Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> >
> > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they want
> > to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> > start.fedoraproject.org.
> >
> > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> >
> > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser (Firefox
> > provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too) that shows
> > your most frequently visited sites so you can easily click to
> > access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> >
> > ~m
> >
> > Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:04:07 -0600 From: Sijis Aviles
> >  To: Máirín Duffy
> >  Cc: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy
> > > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > > > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > > > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> > >
> > > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> > > want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> > > start.fedoraproject.org.
> > >
> > > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> > >
> > > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> > > (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> > > that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> > > click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> > >
> > > ~m
> > >
> > > -- websites mailing list [e-mail]
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >
> > I agree with Mairin, the most folks would want to go to their own
> > website after the launch the browser.
> >
> > The only way I could think of having start.fedoraproject.org being
> > of any use it to link the user to the corresponding Release Notes
> > [1] (as an example). This way the user would have a quick glance of
> > what's new and what has changed and they go on with their daily
> > business. Another reason for going to that page is the "CommonBugs"
> > page which is important, especially after an upgrade.
> >
> > Unless we something like I mention above is done, my thought
> > recently has been to remove it or maybe just replace start.fp.o
> > with  fedoraproject.org
> >
> > Sijis
> >
> > [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_16_Alpha_release_notes
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> > Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:01:55 +0200 From: Elad Alfassa
> >  To: Máirín Duffy
> >  Cc: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: google search on start.fedoraproject.org Message-ID:
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> > 2012/2/2 Máirín Duffy
> > > On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:33 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:
> > > > I totally understand redesigning, but not understanding the
> > > > dropping of the page - what would be a reasonable replacement?
> > >
> > > The rationale is that when people open up a web browser, they
> > > want to go to where they want to go, and that is very likely not
> > > start.fedoraproject.org.
> > >
> > > E.g., if I open a web browser, I'm going to view my web calendar,
> > > read planet Fedora, or look something up on wikipedia.
> > >
> > > So the alternative is a dashboard built into the browser
> > > (Firefox provides this via a plugin, I think the others do too)
> > > that shows your most frequently visited sites so you can easily
> > > click to access them, since that's what you really want to do.
> > >
> > > ~m
> > >
> > > -- websites mailing list [e-mail]
> > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> >
> > I'd say we keep Firefox's default about:home, we don't change
> > default homepage in other browsers, so we shouldn't change it on
> > Firefox as well (stick to upstream policy).
> >
> > The dashboard idea sounds good though, especially because more
> > GNOME applications are going to have these soon (
>
> https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree/Features/Blank%20slate%20helps%20you%...
> ).
> >
>
> We could install this Firefox extension you are talking about by default
> > with Fedora if it's stable enough (and 100% free with no legal
> > issues). If you link me to the specific extension, I'll try to get
> > it packaged (if it isn't already), which is the first thing we need
> > to make it default.
>
> As some of you probably know, i always have an eye on peoples privacy,
> therefor i think it is Fedoras responsibility to guard ones privacy
> whenever and where ever it can, as being Free in so many ways.
>
> Opening a web browser to an outside site always immediately generates
> privacy-data to that site, whether the user wants it or not (at least
> you generate IP-traffic).
>
> There are many people who always want to be in control of what data
> they send, when and to whom.
>
> The only good choice imho the Fedora Project can make regarding this
> issue, is starting with a local page or with 'about:blank' thus
> letting users choose by their selves where to go next on the web.
>
> regards
> Richard
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Firefox's about:home is a local page.
Mo's idea is also 100% local.