[fedora-websites] #384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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  Reporter:  eischmann  |      Owner:  webmaster
      Type:  task       |     Status:  new
  Priority:  blocker    |  Milestone:  Fedora 24
 Component:  General    |   Keywords:
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 We're working on F24 change to change the primary downloadable of
 Workstation to Fedora Media Writer (formerly LiveUSB Creator):
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/LUCasPrimaryDownloadable

 We need assistance from the websites team because the change requires
 changes on the download website:

 1) Based on the user agent Windows users should be offered an exe file
 of FMW (Dennis is currently figuring out location for it).

 2) For them, we should alter the website and explain what FMW is
 instead of "What is a Live image"? We should still keep ISOs in Other
 downloads for those we do want to download an ISO.

 3) For everyone else (Linux, Mac,...), we should still offer an ISO,
 but instead of general "To use this image, you need a drive that can
 create or "burn" DVDs, or a USB flash drive at least as big as the
 image." we should point them to FMW, probably linking
 How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB which we will change to describe FMW.

 Answers to additional questions asked by robyduck in email conversations:

 Do you want to let people download a software to get a Fedora image
 instead of a simple download link of the iso?[[BR]]
 Yes, that's the idea. Especially on other platforms (Windows, Mac), it's
 hard to find a tool that can reliably write Fedora on a USB drive. So
 instead of downloading an ISO, Windows users will download a tool that
 will let them download it and write it on a USB drive.

 Mostly for win users?[[BR]]
 Only for Windows users in F24 release cycle. We planned the same for Mac
 users, but the Mac port won't be finished on time. If there is a standard
 cross-distro installation format (e.g. xdg-app) in the future, we may
 consider it for Linux users, too, but not for F24.

 What about spins, labs, Server?[[BR]]
 The Server working group decided not to use FMW as primary downloadable.
 We also don't want to include spins and labs now. FMW allows you to
 download Server, spins and labs, but spins and labs are in a list you need
 to extend, so it may be confusing for users as primary downloadable. We
 plan it only for Workstation now. Anyway, FMW should be at least mentioned
 as the official way to write the ISO on download pages of other editions,
 spins, and labs.

 How will checksums work?[[BR]]
 FMW checks checksums of ISOs it has downloaded before they're loaded to a
 USB drive.

 Where and who will provide documentation for the use of this
 software?[[BR]]
 We will describe how to use the tool on the following wiki page once it's
 official. We don't want to change the wiki page now when FMW is still not
 officially available.[[BR]]
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 24
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
 Keywords:             |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:             |
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Comment (by robyduck):

 We are already in the middle of the F24 release cycle, and websites are
 going to branch for Beta today or max tomorrow. AFAICS you don't want to
 change so much for F24, and probably the best would be to add just a
 section like:

 {{{
 Windows user?
 Get Fedora Media Writer and download Fedora right to your USB stick.
 }}}

 I can understand it is useful for Windows users, but I can't see an
 advantage to use an extra software to do the same I can do also just
 clicking on the ISO; that's more an aditional hurdle. Also, we should not
 replace the "What is a live image", because people will still get a live
 image, also with FMW, right?

 If we still want Linux users to download their Fedora ISO as always, we
 cannot point them to FMW to burn the image. They still can use a DVD
 burning software if they like, or use a USB writing software of their
 choice.

 If the tool is going to replace all, we should add the description of how
 to use it directly on the websites. If it is too long we can also ask the
 docs team to write it in docs.fedoraproject.org, but I'd rather not use a
 wiki page. Docs already have a section which explains how to use ISOs,
 also for windows users.[[BR]]
 https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Installation_Guide
 /sect-preparing-boot-media.html

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 24
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
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Comment (by eischmann):

 The change to make FMW was postponed to F25 because of building and legal
 issues. But we still would like to make it the official tool for creating
 a bootable USB with Fedora like we had it before. So it'd be nice to have
 a note that Fedora Media Write is the official tested tool for it and that
 they would find more info at
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB.

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
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Changes (by robyduck):

 * milestone:  Fedora 24 => Fedora 25


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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
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Comment (by eischmann):

 Fedora Media Writer for Linux, Windows, and Mac is pretty much ready (just
 ironing out details), Fedora release engineering is working on building
 the Windows and Mac port in Fedora infra, but we also need to work on the
 download website, to have it ready at least for F25 beta.

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
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Comment (by robyduck):

 Mockups for the download page are here:

 https://github.com/fedoradesign/nextweb-
 assets/tree/master/Mockups/Brochure%20Site

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
 Keywords:             |  Blocked By:
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Comment (by robyduck):

 Mockups are here:

 Initial (minimized, with OS auto-detection) view:
 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fedoradesign/nextweb-
 assets/master/Mockups/Brochure%20Site/workstation-media-writer-
 download_min.2.png

 Maximized view when you click view all platforms:
 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fedoradesign/nextweb-
 assets/master/Mockups/Brochure%20Site/workstation-media-writer-
 download_max.2.png

 Pre-release:
 https://raw.githubusercontent.com/fedoradesign/nextweb-
 assets/master/Mockups/Brochure%20Site/workstation-media-writer-
 download_pre-release.png

 We are going to use [Detctizr http://baris.aydinoglu.info/Detectizr] to
 detect the OS of our websites visitors. This also requires [Modernizr
 https://modernizr.com/]. We need to figure out how to implement it in our
 website build, how to use the information we get and how to display the
 right webpage with fallback for false detetcs or for those who have JS
 disabled.

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
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Comment (by pfrields):

 A good deal of the content done in the fmw-test branch: https://pagure.io
 /fedora-websites/branch/fmw-test

 I think the remaining piece is the Detectizr/modernizr piece; but for Beta
 we should be able to just put the three-part per-OS blob in the
 workstation/prerelease page, right?  That might cut down on confusion or
 missed instructions.

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#384: Change primary Workstation downloadable to Fedora Media Writer
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 Reporter:  eischmann  |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  task       |      Status:  new
 Priority:  blocker    |   Milestone:  Fedora 25
Component:  General    |  Resolution:
 Keywords:             |  Blocked By:
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Comment (by robyduck):

 The Detectizr/modernizr piece is alredy there and working. The main
 download button detects your OS and puts the right binary in the link.
 Actually you can choose to view all versions, and then you will scroll
 down automatically to the three column thing.

 We should find a way to hide them, and unhide the three columns only when
 requested by the user. Instructions are those on the website, I feel they
 are very clear already ;)

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