[fedora-websites] #243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather than pkgdb

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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  Reporter:  ankursinha   |      Owner:  webmaster
      Type:  enhancement  |     Status:  new
  Priority:  minor        |  Milestone:  ASAP
 Component:  www.fp.o     |   Keywords:
Blocked By:               |   Blocking:
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 [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
 than the pkgdb

 The pkgdb isn't for users, it's for package maintainers to modify package
 ACLs. Users should be directed to the "packages app" that provides a much
 better interface.

 There's been at least one case where a user went to pkgdb and couldn't
 find anything, since the search there doesn't crawl package
 summaries/descriptions, only packagenames (which too have to be searched
 using regexps).

 (Also, should the links we use have csrf tokens in them? The pkgdb link
 had it.)

 Thanks,
 Warm regards,
 Ankur

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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 Reporter:  ankursinha   |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new
 Priority:  minor        |   Milestone:  ASAP
Component:  www.fp.o     |  Resolution:
 Keywords:               |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:               |
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Comment (by robyduck):

 We had the link to apps.fp.o/packages before and people were not able to
 find what they are searching for, we had also some reports asking why
 there is no package list and just a search form (and indeed the
 description says "across 10,000+ packages").

 Before changing it to the actual page we asked for a better link, and
 that's what we got. IMO the pkgdb link is nice, there is a real "list" of
 packages and people don't have to search for a package, because they often
 don't know exactly how its name is.

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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 Reporter:  ankursinha   |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new
 Priority:  minor        |   Milestone:  ASAP
Component:  www.fp.o     |  Resolution:
 Keywords:               |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:               |
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Comment (by ankursinha):

 Replying to [comment:1 robyduck]:
>  We had the link to apps.fp.o/packages before and people were not able
> to 
 find what they are searching for, we had also some reports asking why
 there is no package list and just a search form (and indeed the
 description says "across 10,000+ packages").
>  Before changing it to the actual page we asked for a better link, and 
 that's
what we got. IMO the pkgdb link is nice, there is a real "list" of
 packages and people don't have to search for a package, because they often
 don't know exactly how its name is.

 Uhm, the pkgdb search box '''only''' works if you know what the
package
 name is. There's no other way of searching for your package.

 Wouldn't it be better to file bugs against "packages" and get these issues
 that you mention fixed, rather than sending people to pkgdb? For example:

 - request apps.fp.o/packages to add a link "List of all Fedora packages by
 name" that links to pkgdb
 - package XYZ not showing up (These are generally caused by infra issues
 when the db didn't sync properly).

 For example, take Geoff's case: He searched for "editor" on pkgdb and as
 expected, he found neither vim nor emacs.. Considering they're the top two
 editors in FOSS land, that's a really bad result from a user perspective
 IMHO.

 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/list/?searchwords=*editor*

 Pkgdb is really meant for maintainers only. Users are not expected to be
 maintainers. If someone is well versed with fedora enough to know that
 pgkdb exists, they don't need a link via fp.o to get there. The link on
 fp.o is under features, and I'd think that the targeted audience here are
 end users that do not know about the internals of Fedora.

 If you check the app graph infra maintains at
 http://apps.fedoraproject.org/, you'll see that pkgdb is listed under "for
 packagers", not "for community".

 What do you think? I can file bugs etc. against "packages" and help infra
 with them.

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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 Reporter:  ankursinha   |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new
 Priority:  minor        |   Milestone:  ASAP
Component:  www.fp.o     |  Resolution:
 Keywords:               |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:               |
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Comment (by robyduck):

 Ankur, I get your point and I agree with you. The last report of a failed
 search is going also in that direction.

 What I wanted to say is that the search form is not what some users
 expect. In the past there were users reporting why they don't see any list
 of packages they could look at, but only a search form.

 I know app.fpo points the actual link out as "maintainer link", but this
 was exactly what people were looking for, until a few days ago... [[BR]]
 If you want us to be consistent and follow the app.fpo then let's modify
 it again. I'm fine with it, but I don't want to jump from one link to the
 other every x months. What would you answer if someone says "hey, I
 expected a list of all Fedora packages there, where can I find it?" I
 guess you will link to pkgdb, won't you?

 I hope you get my concern here too, so are you still convinced linking to
 apps.fp.o/packages is the better solution? If yes I'm glad to apply your
 patch.

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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 Reporter:  ankursinha   |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  new
 Priority:  minor        |   Milestone:  ASAP
Component:  www.fp.o     |  Resolution:
 Keywords:               |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:               |
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Comment (by ankursinha):

 Replying to [comment:3 robyduck]:
>  Ankur, I get your point and I agree with you. The last report of a
 failed search is going also in that direction.
>  What I wanted to say is that the search form is not what some users 
 expect. In the
past there were users reporting why they don't see any list
 of packages they could look at, but only a search form.
>  I know app.fpo points the actual link out as "maintainer link", but this 
was exactly what people were looking for, until a few days ago... [[BR]]
>  If you want us to be consistent and follow the app.fpo then let's
> modify 
 it again. I'm fine with it, but I don't want to jump from one link
to the
 other every x months. What would you answer if someone says "hey, I
 expected a list of all Fedora packages there, where can I find it?" I
 guess you will link to pkgdb, won't you?
>  I hope you get my concern here too, so are you still convinced linking 
 to
apps.fp.o/packages is the better solution? If yes I'm glad to apply
 your patch.

 I understand what you're saying, yes. Let's not hurry into a decision.
 I'll go talk to the infra folks who are upstream for packages and see what
 they have to say about the issue.

 Thanks,
 Ankur

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#243: [PATCH] Modify the "our apps" link to point to apps.fp.o/packages rather
than pkgdb
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 Reporter:  ankursinha   |       Owner:  webmaster
     Type:  enhancement  |      Status:  closed
 Priority:  minor        |   Milestone:  ASAP
Component:  www.fp.o     |  Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:               |  Blocked By:
 Blocking:               |
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Changes (by robyduck):

 * resolution:   => wontfix
 * status:  new => closed


Comment:

 We won't have any reference on the new webpages, for now. Please reopen
 for the community websites we still need to write...

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