Art Gallery and Plone Issues

[Warren Togami]

Fedora Art team needs some kind of art gallery system like
http://art.gnome.org.

Existing popular solutions are PHP based and generally unacceptable for
security reasons.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-July/msg00025.html
Summary of current Plone situation.

 From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:

- It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all.
- It doesn't integrate with the Fedora Account system.  I would assert
that this would be a requirement for production plone deployment, 
because we shouldn't have yet another account database to maintain.  The 
account system is centralized for a reason, and makes it easier to 
enforce CLA.

http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/zope/photo-gallery
It is unconfirmed whether the plone component described here will
actually do the job.  Has anyone tried it?

Warren Togami
wtogami(a)redhat.com

[Jonathan Steffan]

Plone has a nice built in photo gallery. We should not need an add-on
product. Plone also integrates well with other login systems using PAS
(the zope Pluggable Authentication Service). If the accounts system was
to change to ldap, integration would be simple as plugins are already
written for ldap. I have not looked for SQL plugins but would expect at
least a base to be available. I also expect to find ldap support for
moinmoin, bugzilla and others. POSIX accounts are easy to do with ldap.

Jon

Warren Togami wrote:
>  Fedora Art team needs some kind of art gallery system like
>  http://art.gnome.org.
>
>  Existing popular solutions are PHP based and generally unacceptable for
>  security reasons.
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2006-July/msg00025.html
>
>  Summary of current Plone situation.
>
>  From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
>  currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:
>
>  - It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all.
>  - It doesn't integrate with the Fedora Account system.  I would assert
>  that this would be a requirement for production plone deployment,
>  because we shouldn't have yet another account database to maintain. 
>  The account system is centralized for a reason, and makes it easier to
>  enforce CLA.
>
>  http://www.contentmanagementsoftware.info/zope/photo-gallery
>  It is unconfirmed whether the plone component described here will
>  actually do the job.  Has anyone tried it?
>
>  Warren Togami
>  wtogami(a)redhat.com
>

[Karsten Wade]

On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:30 -0400, Warren Togami wrote:

>   From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
>  currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:
>  
>  - It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all. 
What is the question here?  This is the first I've heard about this.
AFAIC, the issue of "do we need a CMS" is long ago settled.

- Karsten
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 01:09 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
>  On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:30 -0400, Warren Togami wrote:
>  
>  >  From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
>  > currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:
>  > 
>  > - It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all.
>  
>  What is the question here?  This is the first I've heard about this.
>  AFAIC, the issue of "do we need a CMS" is long ago settled. 
Yeah, that's news to me too.  We on Docs team definitely need it, we
just don't have anyone in our subproject who can make it do the things
we want.  A glance at the archives will show up several instances where
I asked for help with this, but I'm sure it's not as high a priority as
other things like the buildsystem.  I even tried to get some personnel
resources from outside the Red Hat walls -- a contributor who I met at
the Summit who said he had a person with the requisite skills.  No word
back, so I suppose I should try him again.

It's one thing to simply install a CMS and put it on a web server.  We
have lots of people who can do that.  It's quite another to actually USE
one effectively to build a workflow and deploy the tools contributors
need.

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[Dimitris Glezos]

O/H Paul W. Frields έγραψε:
>  On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 01:09 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:30 -0400, Warren Togami wrote:
> >
> >>  From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
> >> currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:
> >>
> >> - It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all.
> > What is the question here?  This is the first I've heard about this.
> > AFAIC, the issue of "do we need a CMS" is long ago settled.
>  
>  Yeah, that's news to me too.  We on Docs team definitely need it, we
>  just don't have anyone in our subproject who can make it do the things
>  we want.  A glance at the archives will show up several instances where
>  I asked for help with this, but I'm sure it's not as high a priority as
>  other things like the buildsystem.  I even tried to get some personnel
>  resources from outside the Red Hat walls -- a contributor who I met at
>  the Summit who said he had a person with the requisite skills.  No word
>  back, so I suppose I should try him again.
>  
>  It's one thing to simply install a CMS and put it on a web server.  We
>  have lots of people who can do that.  It's quite another to actually USE
>  one effectively to build a workflow and deploy the tools contributors
>  need. 
+1. The CMS installation's priority should definitely be increased. As Paul
said, we on docs team definitely need it.

It may require a considerable amount of work, but it's a "do it once, enjoy
it's
fruits for a long time" work.

-dim



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[Jonathan Steffan]

Dimitris Glezos wrote:
>  O/H Paul W. Frields έγραψε:
>    
> > On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 01:09 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote:
> >     
> >> On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 13:30 -0400, Warren Togami wrote:
> >>
> >>       
> >>>  From what I can gather, Plone is installed and running, but it is
> >>> currently not widely used by Fedora for several big reasons:
> >>>
> >>> - It is questioned whether Plone is needed at all.
> >>>         
> >> What is the question here?  This is the first I've heard about this.
> >> AFAIC, the issue of "do we need a CMS" is long ago settled.
> >>       
> > Yeah, that's news to me too.  We on Docs team definitely need it, we
> > just don't have anyone in our subproject who can make it do the things
> > we want.  A glance at the archives will show up several instances where
> > I asked for help with this, but I'm sure it's not as high a priority as
> > other things like the buildsystem.  I even tried to get some personnel
> > resources from outside the Red Hat walls -- a contributor who I met at
> > the Summit who said he had a person with the requisite skills.  No word
> > back, so I suppose I should try him again.
> >
> > It's one thing to simply install a CMS and put it on a web server.  We
> > have lots of people who can do that.  It's quite another to actually USE
> > one effectively to build a workflow and deploy the tools contributors
> > need.
> >     
>
>  +1. The CMS installation's priority should definitely be increased. As Paul
>  said, we on docs team definitely need it.
>
>  It may require a considerable amount of work, but it's a "do it once, enjoy
> it's
>  fruits for a long time" work.
>
>  -dim
>     
I run the Fedora Unity zope/plone stuff. I have offered my help but have
never gotten access to the ZMI and/or made any progress on expressing
Fedora Unity has already learned many lessons about using Plone and what
*not* to do. I also have been working to package plone-ldap which would
be all that is needed to get Plone 2.5 with PAS authenticating from
LDAP. For example, the Fedora Unity sites use Fedora Directory Server
and I set that up. The systems are not yet packaged.. but need to be. I
offer my help and experience.

Jonathan Steffan