Release Calendar(GCal)

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

I am wondering if there is a Google Calendar available for the Fedora
Releases. If there is not, I would like to volunteer to start and maintain
one. If I do, I would update it daily with the dates from
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/latest release +1/Schedule from the
wiki.

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Kamisamanou,

I was wondering if you would consider Yahoo's calendar. Google's is not open
source, but Yahoo's new calendar uses Zimbra which is open source. 

http://switch.calendar.yahoo.com/m/landing.php

~m




________________________________
From: Kamisamanou Burgess <kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt;
To: fedora-websites-list(a)redhat.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:34:36 PM
Subject: Release Calendar(GCal)

I am wondering if there is a Google Calendar available for the Fedora Releases. If there
is not, I would like to volunteer to start and maintain one. If I do, I would update it
daily with the dates from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/latest release
+1/Schedule from the wiki.

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

I'd hate to say this, but this is mainly for personal reasons. If someone
had already made one, I was going to use it and leave it at that. I will
create one(in Google) regardless of what happens here for my own personal
use.

As far as Yahoo is concerned: Zimbra(admittedly, built by Yahoo) is just a
desktop client used to access Yahoo's calendar, which, itself is not open
source. I also hate Yahoo's interface, account system, and other aspects of
the company and its products(Not that this really matters, it is just
personal preference).

And Google: GNOME's online desktop access Google's products, I use online
desktop. Also, with the exception of the obviously proprietary(GMail, GCal,
etc.) Google is more involved with open source than Yahoo(Think Summer of
Code projects, Google Chrome). It is also worth noting that Mugshot, a
service created by RedHat interacts with Google products. I also believe
there are some major open source groups that use Google Groups.
I'm not trying to imply Google is super open source, just that there are
just as many opensource interactions (think zimbra-yahoo) as there are in
Yahoo.

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:40, Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi Kamisamanou,
>
>  I was wondering if you would consider Yahoo's calendar. Google's is not
>  open source, but Yahoo's new calendar uses Zimbra which is open source.
>
>  http://switch.calendar.yahoo.com/m/landing.php
>
>  ~m
>
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: Kamisamanou Burgess
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
>  >
>  To:
> [e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:34:36 PM
>  Subject: Release Calendar(GCal)
>
>  I am wondering if there is a Google Calendar available for the Fedora
>  Releases. If there is not, I would like to volunteer to start and maintain
>  one. If I do, I would update it daily with the dates from
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/latest release +1/Schedule from
>  the wiki.
>
>  Sayonara,
>  Kamisamanou Burgess
>  http://www.kamisamanou.net
>
>
>
>
>

[Clint Savage]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi Kamisamanou,
>
>  I was wondering if you would consider Yahoo's calendar. Google's is not open
> source, but Yahoo's new calendar uses Zimbra which is open source.
>
>  http://switch.calendar.yahoo.com/m/landing.php
>
>  ~m
>  
There is currently a calendar discussion going on at Fedora
Infrastructure.  We've got a draft on the wiki and hope to have some
plans to implement this in the near future.  Would you consider
putting your considerations there?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired...

Cheers,

Clint

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

On that wiki page?


Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:07, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Máirín Duffy
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>>
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > Hi Kamisamanou,
>  >
>  > I was wondering if you would consider Yahoo's calendar. Google's is not
>  open source, but Yahoo's new calendar uses Zimbra which is open source.
>  >
>  > http://switch.calendar.yahoo.com/m/landing.php
>  >
>  > ~m
>  >
>
>  There is currently a calendar discussion going on at Fedora
>  Infrastructure.  We've got a draft on the wiki and hope to have some
>  plans to implement this in the near future.  Would you consider
>  putting your considerations there?
>
>
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Herlo/Fedora_Calendar_Project_Desired...
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Clint
>

[Clint Savage]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
<kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt; wrote:
>  On that wiki page? 
Kamisamanou,

Yes, that page is a draft of the desired features we'd like to see in
a calendar server.  Currently, it's pretty blank.  Using google
calendar or yahoo calendar is pretty limiting and nobody seems to
agree on one.  Putting it in the fedora infrastructure seems more
reasonable.

Here's the rest of the discussion I didn't include the first time:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-February/...

Please read all the thread since it's pretty long.  The wiki page is a
draft as I said and came from this discussion.  Please please help us
decide on how to proceed.

Cheers,

Clint

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

I think it is time for me to clarify my purpose.
1. I want to know if anybody on this list has created a Google Calendar for
the Fedora Releases that is kept current and up to date as often as
possible.

2. If the answer to one is not yes, then I will create one what is being
asked for in question one, regardless of what is said on this list. I then
pose the question of whether or not to place a link it on the
Releases/latest +1/Schedule page for others to which I want the answer of
yes or no.

3. If anyone wants the same thing in the Yahoo calendar, they are perfectly
free to do exactly as I do/request. This is just a contribution to the
community that the Project can either accept or deny.

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:35, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
>
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>>
>  wrote:
>  > On that wiki page?
>
>  Kamisamanou,
>
>  Yes, that page is a draft of the desired features we'd like to see in
>  a calendar server.  Currently, it's pretty blank.  Using google
>  calendar or yahoo calendar is pretty limiting and nobody seems to
>  agree on one.  Putting it in the fedora infrastructure seems more
>  reasonable.
>
>  Here's the rest of the discussion I didn't include the first time:
>
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2009-February/...
>
>  Please read all the thread since it's pretty long.  The wiki page is a
>  draft as I said and came from this discussion.  Please please help us
>  decide on how to proceed.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Clint
>

[Clint Savage]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
<kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt; wrote:
>  I think it is time for me to clarify my purpose.
>  1. I want to know if anybody on this list has created a Google Calendar for
>  the Fedora Releases that is kept current and up to date as often as
>  possible. 
I understand your purpose for this email, I was hoping you might help
join a bigger project.  I am responding to you, saying that whether or
not it has been created, the problem I describe will continue to
exist.  While I can see an interim solution, creating a calendar
server in fedora's infrastructure seems more viable than either yahoo
or google's calendar.


>  2. If the answer to one is not yes, then I will create one what is
> being
>  asked for in question one, regardless of what is said on this list. I then
>  pose the question of whether or not to place a link it on the
>  Releases/latest +1/Schedule page for others to which I want the answer of
>  yes or no. 
That I know of, there has not been a release schedule calendar created
for F11.  However, who's going to use the one you create?  If it's
just for you, then by all means, but wouldn't it be nice to have one
for everyone?  Google calendar and yahoo calendars will not suffice.

>  3. If anyone wants the same thing in the Yahoo calendar, they are
> perfectly
>  free to do exactly as I do/request. This is just a contribution to the
>  community that the Project can either accept or deny. 
Would you consider helping us create a calendar within the fedora
infrastructure too?  I think it's a useful project and could really
bolster our planning, meetings, and much, much more.

Thanks

Clint

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

Reply below

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:57, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
>
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>>
>  wrote:
>  > I think it is time for me to clarify my purpose.
>  > 1. I want to know if anybody on this list has created a Google Calendar
>  for
>  > the Fedora Releases that is kept current and up to date as often as
>  > possible.
>
>  I understand your purpose for this email, I was hoping you might help
>  join a bigger project.  I am responding to you, saying that whether or
>  not it has been created, the problem I describe will continue to
>  exist.  While I can see an interim solution, creating a calendar
>  server in fedora's infrastructure seems more viable than either yahoo
>  or google's calendar.
>
>
>  > 2. If the answer to one is not yes, then I will create one what is being
>  > asked for in question one, regardless of what is said on this list. I
>  then
>  > pose the question of whether or not to place a link it on the
>  > Releases/latest +1/Schedule page for others to which I want the answer of
>  > yes or no.
>
>  That I know of, there has not been a release schedule calendar created
>  for F11.  However, who's going to use the one you create?  If it's
>  just for you, then by all means, but wouldn't it be nice to have one
>  for everyone?  Google calendar and yahoo calendars will not suffice. 

It would be used by anyone with Google Calendar, or anyone who can subscribe
to an ICal feed.

>  > 3. If anyone wants the same thing in the Yahoo calendar, they are
>  perfectly
>  > free to do exactly as I do/request. This is just a contribution to the
>  > community that the Project can either accept or deny.
>
>  Would you consider helping us create a calendar within the fedora
>  infrastructure too?  I think it's a useful project and could really
>  bolster our planning, meetings, and much, much more. 

I agree. I just don't know if I'd have that much time.

>  Thanks
>
>  Clint
>

[Clint Savage]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
<kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt; wrote:
>  Reply below
>
>  Sayonara,
>  Kamisamanou Burgess
>  http://www.kamisamanou.net
>
>
>  On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 20:57, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Kamisamanou Burgess
> > <kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt; wrote:
> > > I think it is time for me to clarify my purpose.
> > > 1. I want to know if anybody on this list has created a Google Calendar
> > > for
> > > the Fedora Releases that is kept current and up to date as often as
> > > possible.
> >
> > I understand your purpose for this email, I was hoping you might help
> > join a bigger project.  I am responding to you, saying that whether or
> > not it has been created, the problem I describe will continue to
> > exist.  While I can see an interim solution, creating a calendar
> > server in fedora's infrastructure seems more viable than either yahoo
> > or google's calendar.
> >
> >
> > > 2. If the answer to one is not yes, then I will create one what is being
> > > asked for in question one, regardless of what is said on this list. I
> > > then
> > > pose the question of whether or not to place a link it on the
> > > Releases/latest +1/Schedule page for others to which I want the answer
> > > of
> > > yes or no.
> >
> > That I know of, there has not been a release schedule calendar created
> > for F11.  However, who's going to use the one you create?  If it's
> > just for you, then by all means, but wouldn't it be nice to have one
> > for everyone?  Google calendar and yahoo calendars will not suffice.
>
>  It would be used by anyone with Google Calendar, or anyone who can subscribe
>  to an ICal feed. 
I get that it would/could be used by anyone who can subscribe to an
iCal feed.  That was not my point.

How are you going to convince all of the fedoraproject members to use
your calendar feed?  I'm suspecting you'll find resistance unless it's
official and promoted within the project.  I'm for sure *not* saying
that you can't do a google calendar.  If you shared it with all the
fedoraproject members that some might even use it.  Please feel free
to implement it, but keep in mind that a calendar that you are
referencing isn't going to be as usable as a calendar within the
fedora infrastructure.

Let me know how your calendar feed goes and I'll possibly even
subscribe to it if you keep maintaining it and provide me with editing
rights so I can add events (like what's on
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents) to the calendar too.  I'd
love to have that available to me.

Good luck,

Clint

[Máirín Duffy]

Actually, Zimbra is not just the desktop client, it's the server too. And it was
bought by Yahoo but built by a smaller company at first. 

Looking like they are friendly to open source doesn't mean Google is open source.
Yahoo! is very friendly to open source and actually uses open source where Google does
not.

~m

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:29, Máirín Duffy <mairin(a)linuxgrrl.com&gt; wrote:

>  Actually, Zimbra is not just the desktop client, it's the server too. And
>  it was bought by Yahoo but built by a smaller company at first.
>
>  Looking like they are friendly to open source doesn't mean Google is open
>  source. Yahoo! is very friendly to open source and actually uses open source
>  where Google does not.
>
>  ~m 
Please don't twist my words. I never said Google was open source, merely
that they are involved. Also Google Chrome is open source, the last part of
your last sentence is untrue.

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

That being said, lets avoid further discussion about the licensing Google
and Yahoo. This is about a calendar, not the morals, policies, etc. of two
large corporations. *We need to stay on topic.*

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 00:06, Kamisamanou Burgess <
kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt; wrote:

>  Sayonara,
>  Kamisamanou Burgess
>  http://www.kamisamanou.net
>
>
>  On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:29, Máirín Duffy
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
>  > wrote:
>
> >
> > Actually, Zimbra is not just the desktop client, it's the server too. And
> > it was bought by Yahoo but built by a smaller company at first.
> >
> > Looking like they are friendly to open source doesn't mean Google is open
> > source. Yahoo! is very friendly to open source and actually uses open source
> > where Google does not.
> >
> > ~m
>
>  Please don't twist my words. I never said Google was open source, merely
>  that they are involved. Also Google Chrome is open source, the last part of
>  your last sentence is untrue.
>
>

[John Poelstra]

Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:
>  I am wondering if there is a Google Calendar available for the Fedora
>
>  Releases. If there is not, I would like to volunteer to start and 
>  maintain one. If I do, I would update it daily with the dates from 
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/latest release +1/Schedule from 
>  the wiki.
>  
>  Sayonara,
>  Kamisamanou Burgess
>  http://www.kamisamanou.net
>   
Have you seen this:
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/

Right now the ability to build iCal files isn't working, but it is being 
worked on.  In theory you could import those to Google Calendar.  Would 
this do what you want?

John

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

As long as the iCal would be a url that I could subscribe to and it would be
kept as up-to-date or moreso than the wiki page, then yes, that would be
excellent. Are iCal feeds dynamic?

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 20:22, John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kamisamanou Burgess wrote:
>
> > I am wondering if there is a Google Calendar available for the Fedora
> > Releases. If there is not, I would like to volunteer to start and maintain
> > one. If I do, I would update it daily with the dates from
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/latest release +1/Schedule from
> > the wiki.
> >
> > Sayonara,
> > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > http://www.kamisamanou.net
> >
> >
>  Have you seen this:
>  http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/
>
>  Right now the ability to build iCal files isn't working, but it is being
>  worked on.  In theory you could import those to Google Calendar.  Would this
>  do what you want?
>
>  John
>
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>
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>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>

[John Poelstra]

Kamisamanou Burgess said the following on 02/20/2009 07:24 AM Pacific Time:
>  As long as the iCal would be a url that I could subscribe to and it
> would be
>  kept as up-to-date or moreso than the wiki page, then yes, that would be
>  excellent. Are iCal feeds dynamic?
>   
I'm not sure what you mean by "are the feeds dynamic"?

The iCal file is updated each time the schedule is rebuilt and could be 
  hosted as part of the other html reports on my people page.

John

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 18:13, John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kamisamanou Burgess said the following on 02/20/2009 07:24 AM Pacific
> Time:
>
> > As long as the iCal would be a url that I could subscribe to and it would
> > be
> > kept as up-to-date or moreso than the wiki page, then yes, that would be
> > excellent. Are iCal feeds dynamic?
> >
> >
>  I'm not sure what you mean by "are the feeds dynamic"?
>  
What I mean, is that will I recieve updates to the calendar without
downloading the .ics file again?

>  The iCal file is updated each time the schedule is rebuilt and could be
>   hosted as part of the other html reports on my people page.
>
>  John
>
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>
> [e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>

[Marc Ferguson]

2009/2/23 Kamisamanou Burgess <kamisamanou(a)kamisamanou.net&gt;

>  Sayonara,
>  Kamisamanou Burgess
>  http://www.kamisamanou.net
>
>
>  On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 18:13, John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Kamisamanou Burgess said the following on 02/20/2009 07:24 AM Pacific
> > Time:
> >
> >> As long as the iCal would be a url that I could subscribe to and it would
> >> be
> >> kept as up-to-date or moreso than the wiki page, then yes, that would be
> >> excellent. Are iCal feeds dynamic?
> >>
> >>
> > I'm not sure what you mean by "are the feeds dynamic"?
> >
>  What I mean, is that will I recieve updates to the calendar without
>  downloading the .ics file again?
>
> >
> >
> > The iCal file is updated each time the schedule is rebuilt and could be
> >  hosted as part of the other html reports on my people page.
> >
> > John
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> >
> [e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
>
>
>  --
>  Fedora-websites-list mailing list
>  Fedora-websites-list(a)redhat.com
>  https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
>
>  
Wow, this topic was really interesting.  I'm wondering after all that email
threading did anyone draft a Google Calendar or Yahoo Calendar?  If not, I
can start one, referencing the Fedora Events, and share it with the admins
and everyone.  I agree that it would be easier to share using Google
Calendar, but that's because I actually use Google Cal on a regular basis...
so that may be bias of me.

-- 
Marc F.

www.fergytech.com
Registered Linux User: #410978

"When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff!"

[Kamisamanou Burgess]

Marc,
     Neither has been created. After much discussion most people were
against it. I had want to create a Google Calendar as well. Someone
mentioned they had something in the works, yet I haven't seen the fruit of
that effort.

Sayonara,
Kamisamanou Burgess
http://www.kamisamanou.net


On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 14:08, Marc Ferguson <marcferguson(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  2009/2/23 Kamisamanou Burgess
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
>  >
>
> >
> >
> > Sayonara,
> > Kamisamanou Burgess
> > http://www.kamisamanou.net
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 18:13, John Poelstra
> <[e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Kamisamanou Burgess said the following on 02/20/2009 07:24 AM Pacific
> >> Time:
> >>
> >>> As long as the iCal would be a url that I could subscribe to and it
> >>> would be
> >>> kept as up-to-date or moreso than the wiki page, then yes, that would be
> >>> excellent. Are iCal feeds dynamic?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I'm not sure what you mean by "are the feeds dynamic"?
> >>
> > What I mean, is that will I recieve updates to the calendar without
> > downloading the .ics file again?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The iCal file is updated each time the schedule is rebuilt and could be
> >>  hosted as part of the other html reports on my people page.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> --
> >> Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> >>
> [e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
> >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fedora-websites-list mailing list
> >
> [e-mail]<https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm&tf=0&to=[e-mail]>
> > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
> >
> >
>  Wow, this topic was really interesting.  I'm wondering after all that email
>  threading did anyone draft a Google Calendar or Yahoo Calendar?  If not, I
>  can start one, referencing the Fedora Events, and share it with the admins
>  and everyone.  I agree that it would be easier to share using Google
>  Calendar, but that's because I actually use Google Cal on a regular basis...
>  so that may be bias of me.
>
>  --
>  Marc F.
>
>  www.fergytech.com
>  Registered Linux User: #410978
>
>  "When life gives me lemons... I make Linuxaide, hmm good stuff!"
>
>