alt.fedoraproject.org open for translation

[Robert Mayr]

Hi all,
the one week slip of F25 is getting us some time to finalize also the new
website alt.fp.o.
We should be able at this point to move it to production for the F25
release date. Actually the website is running in staging at
https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org

The source on zanata is now open for translation, it's not a huge work
(only 2 pages), but in the next days I'll push some more strings.

Thank you and happy translating.
Regards.

[pedro andrade]

As of now, I'm delighted to inform that it's translated close 100% to
Portuguese_PT. Only a minor reviews are needed.
Regards from Portugal.

// pedro andrade
// www.pedroandrade.pt

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Robert Mayr 
wrote:
> Hi all,
> the one week slip of F25 is getting us some time to finalize also the new
> website alt.fp.o.
> We should be able at this point to move it to production for the F25
> release date. Actually the website is running in staging at
> https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org
>
> The source on zanata is now open for translation, it's not a huge work
> (only 2 pages), but in the next days I'll push some more strings.
>
> Thank you and happy translating.
> Regards.
>
> --
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
> trans mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 12/11/2016 à 23:29, Robert Mayr a écrit :
> Hi all,
> the one week slip of F25 is getting us some time to finalize also the 
> new website alt.fp.o.
> We should be able at this point to move it to production for the F25 
> release date. Actually the website is running in staging at 
> https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org
>
> The source on zanata is now open for translation, it's not a huge work 
> (only 2 pages), but in the next days I'll push some more strings.
>
> Thank you and happy translating.
> Regards.

Hi Robert,

With all respect with the large amout of work to produce high quality 
website, can you please warn when you change few hundreeds of strings to 
getfedora a few days before release?

Please note there is a few mistakes:

"JointheProjectAtomicchaton<strong>#atomic</strong></a>on<strong>irc.freenode.org</strong></a>."

We already have surprises from Media Writer, from Anaconda, now websites... Process says total Freeze after 1st november.

Regards,

[Robert Mayr]

2016-11-20 21:11 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <[e-mail]
> :
> Le 12/11/2016 à 23:29, Robert Mayr a écrit :
> > Hi all,
> > the one week slip of F25 is getting us some time to finalize also the new
> > website alt.fp.o.
> > We should be able at this point to move it to production for the F25
> > release date. Actually the website is running in staging at
> > https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org
> >
> > The source on zanata is now open for translation, it's not a huge work
> > (only 2 pages), but in the next days I'll push some more strings.
> >
> > Thank you and happy translating.
> > Regards.
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> With all respect with the large amout of work to produce high quality
> website, can you please warn when you change few hundreeds of strings to
> getfedora a few days before release?
>
> Please note there is a few mistakes:
>
> "JointheProjectAtomicchaton<strong>#atomic</strong></a>on<strong>
> irc.freenode.org</strong></a>."
>
> We already have surprises from Media Writer, from Anaconda, now
> websites... Process says total Freeze after 1st november.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>
> trans mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

My apologies for that, but we had a last minutes change from Cloud WG about
the new atomic pages. It's not the first time this happens and
unfortunately it will aslo not be the last time.
I always try to give you as much time as possible, but sometimes things
come up not as desired.
We also passed the whole week to setup alt.fp.o, where you will find also
new strings. I will see where this error comes from, thanks.

Please note that websites don't have a string freeze deadline as other
projects, we decide sometimes to go for a production string freeze (as
actually), but it is not mandatory.
Thanks for your feedback.
Kind regards.

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 20/11/2016 à 21:27, Robert Mayr a écrit :
> My apologies for that, but we had a last minutes change from Cloud WG 
> about the new atomic pages. It's not the first time this happens and 
> unfortunately it will aslo not be the last time.
> I always try to give you as much time as possible, but sometimes 
> things come up not as desired.
> We also passed the whole week to setup alt.fp.o, where you will find 
> also new strings. I will see where this error comes from, thanks.
>
> Please note that websites don't have a string freeze deadline as other 
> projects, we decide sometimes to go for a production string freeze (as 
> actually), but it is not mandatory.
> Thanks for your feedback.
> Kind regards

Website team is the easiest Fedora team to work with. It never is a good 
news when we have this and planned something else, but we can fix it 
easily because you sync every day!

We need your help, each string you change require one translator per 
language to work. getfedora.org has 16 languages with more than 80%, it 
means 16 people who have to check if something happened...
Sadly, Zanata do not have automatic messages to warn us, so we need you 
to communicate more.

By the way, can you please save the translation in your git repository 
before closing the current branch? It means, save F24 translated content 
before moving to F25 branch.
It would be great to save the history of our work.

Other bugs (you may have a look to Ukrainian version because they are 
100%! https://stg.getfedora.org/uk/):

First page:

* "Download now" from first page isn't translatable.

* Fedora Workstation, Server and Atomic' description are not tanslated

Workstation, Cloud, Server pages:

* "There's more to Fedora Logo" is not translatable

Cloud/Download:

* Regions from "Fedora 24 Standard Atomic Host HVM AMIs" are not translate

thanks for your help,

[Robert Mayr]

I'll reply inline.

2016-11-20 22:36 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <[e-mail]
> :
> Le 20/11/2016 à 21:27, Robert Mayr a écrit :
> > My apologies for that, but we had a last minutes change from Cloud WG
> > about the new atomic pages. It's not the first time this happens and
> > unfortunately it will aslo not be the last time.
> > I always try to give you as much time as possible, but sometimes things
> > come up not as desired.
> > We also passed the whole week to setup alt.fp.o, where you will find also
> > new strings. I will see where this error comes from, thanks.
> >
> > Please note that websites don't have a string freeze deadline as other
> > projects, we decide sometimes to go for a production string freeze (as
> > actually), but it is not mandatory.
> > Thanks for your feedback.
> > Kind regards
>
> Website team is the easiest Fedora team to work with. It never is a good
> news when we have this and planned something else, but we can fix it easily
> because you sync every day!
>
> We need your help, each string you change require one translator per
> language to work. getfedora.org has 16 languages with more than 80%, it
> means 16 people who have to check if something happened...
> Sadly, Zanata do not have automatic messages to warn us, so we need you to
> communicate more.

I try to sync the source files whenever we have new strings.
> By the way, can you please save the translation in your git repository
> before closing the current branch? It means, save F24 translated content
> before moving to F25 branch.
> It would be great to save the history of our work.

No, we can't archive old translations. We build against the same branch,
and on release day we merge the actual devel branch with the new transalted
strings into master, overwriting the actual F24 branch.
> Other bugs (you may have a look to Ukrainian version because they are
> 100%! https://stg.getfedora.org/uk/):
>
> First page:
>
> "Download now" from first page isn't translatable.
>
> Fedora Workstation, Server and Atomic' description are not tanslated
>
> Workstation, Cloud, Server pages:

Shuld be all fixed, thank you.
> "There's more to Fedora Logo" is not translatable

Not sure why, I need to investigate that further.
> Cloud/Download:
> Regions from "Fedora 24 Standard Atomic Host HVM AMIs" are not translate

Correct, regions are not translatable.
> thanks for your help,
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
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Regards.

[Robert Mayr]

Hi all,
I would also like to advice you to pay attention on alt.fpo. There are some
strings (MB iso image or the other builds TC's ecc) which have a limited
space.
I saw some language teams decided for very long strings, which breaks the
web layout. Please try to find a short translation, the shorter the better,
specially in languages which are used to have very long words.
Thanks.

[Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch]

Hi,

I think that there is a problem in CSS. The translations of "%sMB netinstall
iso" exceed the column width for some languages at
https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/lang_code/alt/

Examples: https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/fr/alt/ ,
https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/es/alt/ ...

Regards,
Robert

2016-11-20 23:09 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr :
> Hi all,
> I would also like to advice you to pay attention on alt.fpo. There are
> some strings (MB iso image or the other builds TC's ecc) which have a
> limited space.
> I saw some language teams decided for very long strings, which breaks the
> web layout. Please try to find a short translation, the shorter the better,
> specially in languages which are used to have very long words.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
> trans mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Jean-Baptiste]

Le 21/11/2016 à 21:41, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I think that there is a problem in CSS. The translations of 
> "%sMBnetinstalliso" exceed the column width for some languages at 
> https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/lang_code/alt/
>
> Examples: https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/fr/alt/ , 
> https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/es/alt/ ...

I confirm this issue in english:
https://jibecfed.fedorapeople.org/partage/Capture%20d%27%c3%a9cran%20de%2020...

[Robert Mayr]

2016-11-21 22:33 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft <[e-mail]
> :
> Le 21/11/2016 à 21:41, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think that there is a problem in CSS. The translations of
> > "%sMBnetinstalliso" exceed the column width for some languages at
> > https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/lang_code/alt/
> >
> > Examples: https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/fr/alt/ ,
> > https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/es/alt/ ...
>
> I confirm this issue in english:
> https://jibecfed.fedorapeople.org/partage/Capture%20d%27%c3%a9
> cran%20de%202016-11-21%2022-30-58.png
>
> --
> Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
>
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This should happen for small resolutions, probably we need to rethink about
the layout a bit, and probably make these strings untranslatable to avoid
bad websites behaviours.

[Máximo Castañeda]

Removing this rule works (at least in Windows' Chrome and Firefox I'm
using at work):

.using p {
    padding: 10px 5px 10px 10px;
}

But it makes other stuff ugly (though not as much as the current
problem): it changes alignment of the text to the left explaining what
the images are for.

So instead of removing that rule, let's add this one:

.white .col-md-3 p, .white .col-md-4 p {
    padding: 0px;
}

It seems to work wonderfully. Well, the download/verify and one-line
descriptions are not vertically centered.

.white .col-md-3 p {
    padding-bottom: 0px;
    margin-bottom: 0px;
}

Seems to uglify only double-line descriptions while not breaking the layout.

Please filter, reduce, clean or whatever it needs, I'm not a web developer.

BTW, disappearance of those descriptions in small screens makes the
different downloads for the same product indistinguishable, although I
don't expect anyeone downloading that from a phone.

2016-11-21 23:28 GMT+01:00 Robert Mayr :
> 2016-11-21 22:33 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> :
> > Le 21/11/2016 à 21:41, Robert Antoni Buj i Gelonch a écrit :
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I think that there is a problem in CSS. The translations of
> > > "%sMBnetinstalliso" exceed the column width for some languages at
> > > https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/lang_code/alt/
> > >
> > > Examples: https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/fr/alt/ ,
> > > https://alt.stg.fedoraproject.org/es/alt/ ...
> >
> > I confirm this issue in english:
> >
> > https://jibecfed.fedorapeople.org/partage/Capture%20d%27%c3%a9cran%20de%2020...
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
> >
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> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> This should happen for small resolutions, probably we need to rethink about
> the layout a bit, and probably make these strings untranslatable to avoid
> bad websites behaviours.
>
> --
> Robert Mayr
> (robyduck)
>
> trans mailing list -- [e-mail]
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