untouched pages: delete 'em?
by Ian Weller
There's quite a few pages that haven't been touched since their import
from MoinMoin, and I'm thinking about mass-deleting 'em.
Process for doing so:
1) write script that finds pages that haven't been touched by anybody
except ImportUser and Admin
1.5) blog loudly
2) write [[Template:Quarantine]], which will throw pages that transclude
it in [[Category:Quarantine]] and explain that the page will be
deleted on or after September 1 if the template is not removed
3) write script to mass-delete everything in [[Category:Quarantine]] on
September 1
If somebody wants a page back and nobody did anything about the
template, pages can still be restored by an admin.
Thoughts? I want to make sure that we have a pretty solid consensus
here before I go forth with this.
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13 years, 9 months
Some wiki article names are ambiguous
by Aaron Faanes
I feel like there's usability issues with some articles in the Fedora
Project wiki. Here's a sample of some of them:
* Websites
* Women
* L10N
* Overview
I believe that these pages should be renamed to be more indicative of
their content. Specifically, "Fedora" should be included for project
pages, non-wiki-like titles such as "Overview" should be renamed, and
esoteric abbreviations like L10N should be expanded.
* Websites -> Fedora Websites
* Women -> Fedora Women
* L10N -> Fedora Localization
* Overview -> Fedora Project (or perhaps simply Fedora)
Most pages should not include Fedora, since the Fedora wiki already
implies a bias towards Fedora-related information. For example, I
expect a page on Red Hat contributions to contain contributions that
Red Hat has made to Fedora, so I feel like this is a suitable name.
I don't think this bias is a strong enough reason to exclude it from
project pages. I'm not likely to assume that page called "Websites" is
a project page since the name gives me no indication. The repetition
of "Fedora" and the capitalization in "Fedora Websites" in the URL
reinforces the fact that the page is about a group called "Fedora
Websites," rather than websites in Fedora.
Redirects from "Fedora *" do not sufficiently solve the problem. The
title on the article page will still be without "Fedora" and so will
still evoke confusion. Tooltips shown by mousing over a link will also
show this ambiguous title.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't think the repetition of "Fedora" is necessary.
http://fedoraproject.org/docs reads much better than
http://fedoraproject.org/fedora_docs. This is because I read it as
"the docs page in the Fedora Project" and I am not confused. More
importantly, I don't have any learned expectations about its content.
Wiki pages do have learned expectations. When given a URL to a wiki
page, I expect that the content will be an article, and I expect the
last part of the URL is the article title. This is why URLs like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki do not strike me as redundant or
confusing. On the other hand, I would be confused if
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview contained an overview of the
Wikipedia.
Our wiki sadly violates these expectations. We name some articles
using a "naive" convention, so the page's subject is ambiguous.
-- Aaron Faanes
13 years, 10 months
Fedora wiki style guide
by Aaron Faanes
(This is a repost in order to start this thread in the wiki mailing
list. Sorry for the noise.)
Hey everyone,
I've been working a lot with the Fedora wiki recently, and I've been
accumulating some style ideas as I've been editing. I ended up writing
some of my thoughts and suggestions:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dafrito/Style_guide
I'm interested in what you guys have to think about it - especially in
what sections represent areas of consensus or disagreement.
The guide uses a formal voice for clarity, but I intend for any
guideline to be friendly, incremental, and flexible. It's not an
all-or-nothing proposal. :) I mean no offense to any other editors,
and I apologize in advance if I appear rude in the document.
Thank you,
-- Aaron Faanes
13 years, 10 months
How to get *Collapsible tables* on wiki?
by He Rui
Greetings everyone,
Glad to meet you here. I have a question about wiki syntax. I wanna have
some Collapsible tables on my wiki pages, like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Collapsing
But when I use the same example code as it suggested, it doesn't work on
fedora wiki page, since the following js file is needed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js
So I want to know if it is possible and allowable to have fedora wiki
run this js? If yes, how to load this file? If no, is there any other
way to have Collapsible tables on fedora wiki?
Many thanks,
Hurry (￣▽￣")
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Hurry
FAS Name: Rhe
Timezone: UTC+8
TEL: 86-010-62608141
IRC nick: rhe #fedora-qa #fedora-zh
13 years, 10 months
Re: Fedora wiki style guide
by Karsten Wade
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 05:31:46PM -0400, Ian Weller wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 01:12:03PM -0500, Aaron Faanes wrote:
> > I've been working a lot with the Fedora wiki recently, and I've been
> > accumulating some style ideas as I've been editing. I ended up writing
> > some of my thoughts and suggestions:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dafrito/Style_guide
> >
> > I'm interested in what you guys have to think about it - especially in
> > what sections represent areas of consensus or disagreement.
> >
> > The guide uses a formal voice for clarity, but I intend for any
> > guideline to be friendly, incremental, and flexible. It's not an
> > all-or-nothing proposal. :) I mean no offense to any other editors,
> > and I apologize in advance if I appear rude in the document.
>
> This is very good. There's a few things that I'm going to change on it.
> Would you mind subscribing to the wiki list and posting this there, too?
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki
Oh, yes, definitely, bring it over. (I'm switching my Cc: and will
join the thread later, too.)
Aaron, you are very much on the mark here. There is desire to adopt
exactly the sort of conventions you write down. There is some inertia
to deal with, but we can work through that. We've long stated that
our *goal* is to be "do it like Wikipedia says to do it, except in
these ways ..." and have a few, reasoned exceptions if necessary.
For example, this page is specifically useful if you are writing in a
MediaWiki syntax and want to convert later to DocBook XML:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_syntax_and_markup#Marking_Technic...
Those I would call guidelines on top of how to do things the Wikipedia
way, and really most useful in the DocBook situation. However, having
matching technical markup usage across the site would be a good thing
anyway ...
- Karsten
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13 years, 10 months
Re: Wiki question
by Eric Christensen
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On 06/06/2010 04:27 PM, Rui Gouveia wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm reorganizing the wiki pages for the pt_PT language. And I have some
> doubts. I have browsed the help pages, but still, can't find the answers
> I need.
>
> Should I create all the pt_PT pages like this?
>
> Original: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/<PAGE>
> Translated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pt_PT/<PAGE>
>
> or should I create the pages, like the one I'm translating now:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes/Pt_PT
>
> What's your preferred method?
>
> I looked at what other teams are doing and I find examples for both
> ways. The Brasilean team alone uses them both.
>
> IMHO the Wiki is very "free style" and there's no specific rules for
> translations.
>
> I would appreciate your advice.
>
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> Rui Gouveia
> Portuguese translation team
Good question. Ian, I think we need to have some sort of solution for
translating the wiki. Any thoughts? How does Wikipedia do it?
- --Eric
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13 years, 10 months
Fwd: Re: Wiki translations
by Rui Gouveia
My apologies.
I should have sent this to this list.
-------- Mensagem Original --------
Assunto: Re: Wiki translations
Data: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:00:01 -0400
De: Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org>
Responder-Para: Fedora Infrastructure
<infrastructure(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
Para: infrastructure(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:22:28PM +0100, Rui Gouveia wrote:
> I found this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages
>
> Are these instructions still valid?
For how we do it now, yes. For how we *want* to do it, no. I still need
to send that email to the translators list...
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13 years, 10 months
Re: Wiki translations
by Eric Christensen
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On 06/13/2010 08:46 PM, Ian Weller wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 06:59:12PM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
>> In Wikipedia, there is a separate installation for every language. I
>> don't think that's the road that we'd want to go down, and I thought
>> that a scheme had been devised, though I can't for the life of me
>> remember what it was.
>
> We tried setting up something that would do it this way and I think the
> amount of maintenance required is too high. I need to decide on
> something (finally) so we're going to go with how meta.wikimedia.org
> handles translations.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Interlanguage_links
>
> It works for wikis that don't have the absolute need for keeping
> languages on totally separate instances. It's just as much editing work.
> The only disadvantage is that page names aren't in the native language.
>
> If this is a problem with anybody on the *infrastructure* side of
> things, please speak now. I'll be talking to the translators list soon.
Ian,
This sounds like a really good plan. There isn't any additional
instance of MW that needs to be maintained and pages can move around
without needing to move a bunch of translations as well.
My only thought is how does someone know that the page has been
translated into their language? Is there an addon of sorts that can
somehow make this notification better?
- --Eric
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13 years, 10 months
Wiki question
by Rui Gouveia
Hi,
I'm reorganizing the wiki pages for the pt_PT language. And I have some
doubts. I have browsed the help pages, but still, can't find the answers
I need.
Should I create all the pt_PT pages like this?
Original: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/<PAGE>
Translated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pt_PT/<PAGE>
or should I create the pages, like the one I'm translating now:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F13_one_page_release_notes/Pt_PT
What's your preferred method?
I looked at what other teams are doing and I find examples for both
ways. The Brasilean team alone uses them both.
IMHO the Wiki is very "free style" and there's no specific rules for
translations.
I would appreciate your advice.
Thanks for your time.
Rui Gouveia
Portuguese translation team
13 years, 10 months
