Fwd: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono

[Jon Stanley]

Not near a computer, someone please revert ASAP.

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono
To: Jstanley <jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

Dear Jstanley,


The FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed on 00:55, 19 January 2009 by
Gtbono, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page for the current
version.

See
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldi...
for all changes since your last visit.

Editor's summary: Replacing page with 'Hey please delete my fedora
account !!'

Contact the editor:
mail: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Gtbono
wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gtbono

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[Eric Christensen]

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Fixed.

Jon Stanley wrote:
>  Not near a computer, someone please revert ASAP.
>  
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  From: WikiAdmin <webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
>  Subject: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono
>  To: Jstanley <jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  
>  Dear Jstanley,
>  
>  
>  The FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed on 00:55, 19 January 2009 by
>  Gtbono, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page for the current
>  version.
>  
>  See
>  https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldi...
>  for all changes since your last visit.
>  
>  Editor's summary: Replacing page with 'Hey please delete my fedora
>  account !!'
>  
>  Contact the editor:
>  mail: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Gtbono
>  wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Gtbono
>  
>  There will be no other notifications in case of further changes unless
>  you visit this page.
>  You could also reset the notification flags for all your watched pages
>  on your watchlist.
>  
>               Your friendly FedoraProject notification system
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[Ian Weller]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 08:18:45PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
>  Not near a computer, someone please revert ASAP.
>  
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  From: WikiAdmin <webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
>  Subject: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono
>  To: Jstanley <jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  
>  Dear Jstanley,
>  
>  
>  The FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed on 00:55, 19 January 2009 by
>  Gtbono, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page for the current
>  version.
>   
[snip]

I do want to open this up for discussion: do we require higher
credentials for editing certain pages on the wiki? The FAS account
gtbono was created the same day as these edits.

I'm personally against increasing any more need for being important to
edit certain or all pages on the wiki, but I'd like to know what
everyone else thinks and see if we need to protect pages, or something
else.

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FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono

[Jon Stanley]

If we can semi-protect ala wikipedia I'm in favor of that. If not,
then let's deal with these as they come. I think that enough of us
have watches on these important pages that we can revert any vandalism
quickly. Let's not over-react to one incident here.

On 1/18/09, Ian Weller <ianweller(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 08:18:45PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
> > Not near a computer, someone please revert ASAP.
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: WikiAdmin <webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono
> > To: Jstanley <jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
> >
> > Dear Jstanley,
> >
> >
> > The FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed on 00:55, 19 January
> > 2009 by
> > Gtbono, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page for the current
> > version.
> >
>  [snip]
>
>  I do want to open this up for discussion: do we require higher
>  credentials for editing certain pages on the wiki? The FAS account
>  gtbono was created the same day as these edits.
>
>  I'm personally against increasing any more need for being important to
>  edit certain or all pages on the wiki, but I'd like to know what
>  everyone else thinks and see if we need to protect pages, or something
>  else.
>
>  --
>  Ian Weller <ianweller(a)gmail.com&gt;                  http://ianweller.org
>  GnuPG fingerprint:  E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226  B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36
>  "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet."
>    ~ Douglas Adams
>  
-- 
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Jon Stanley
Fedora Bug Wrangler
jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org

FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono

[Ian Weller]

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39:07PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
>  Let's not over-react to one incident here.
>   
Well put.

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Ian Weller <ianweller(a)gmail.com&gt;                  http://ianweller.org
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FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  If we can semi-protect ala wikipedia I'm in favor of that. If
> not,
>  then let's deal with these as they come. I think that enough of us
>  have watches on these important pages that we can revert any vandalism
>  quickly. Let's not over-react to one incident here.
>  
I agree.

But this might be a good time to remind people - on other lists too since I
gather they are not all here yet - that everybody who writes to the wiki
should be watching any pages they help out with (write, help write, or even
use a lot).  The more active watchers the better.

-Susan


>  On 1/18/09, Ian Weller <ianweller(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 08:18:45PM -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
>  >> Not near a computer, someone please revert ASAP.
>  >>
>  >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  >> From: WikiAdmin <webmaster(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  >> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
>  >> Subject: FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed by Gtbono
>  >> To: Jstanley <jstanley(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  >>
>  >> Dear Jstanley,
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> The FedoraProject page Main Page has been changed on 00:55, 19 January
>  >> 2009 by
>  >> Gtbono, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page for the current
>  >> version.
>  >>
>  > [snip]
>  >
>  > I do want to open this up for discussion: do we require higher
>  > credentials for editing certain pages on the wiki? The FAS account
>  > gtbono was created the same day as these edits.
>  >
>  > I'm personally against increasing any more need for being important to
>  > edit certain or all pages on the wiki, but I'd like to know what
>  > everyone else thinks and see if we need to protect pages, or something
>  > else.
>  >
>  > --
>  > Ian Weller <ianweller(a)gmail.com&gt;                  http://ianweller.org
>  > GnuPG fingerprint:  E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226  B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36
>  > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work
> yet."
>  >   ~ Douglas Adams
>  >
>
>  --
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>
>  Jon Stanley
>  Fedora Bug Wrangler
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[Karsten Wade]

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:16:01AM -0500, susan_lists(a)ties.org wrote:
>  On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Jon Stanley
> <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > If we can semi-protect ala wikipedia I'm in favor of that. If not,
>  > then let's deal with these as they come. I think that enough of us
>  > have watches on these important pages that we can revert any vandalism
>  > quickly. Let's not over-react to one incident here.
>  >
>  
>  I agree.
>  
>  But this might be a good time to remind people - on other lists too since I
>  gather they are not all here yet - that everybody who writes to the wiki
>  should be watching any pages they help out with (write, help write, or even
>  use a lot).  The more active watchers the better. 
There is a configuration option to automatically watch all pages that
you edit or create.  I don't believe it is set by default.

What do you think about:

1. Making that setting on by default, and

2. Changing that setting to on in the database for all existing
   contributors?

Here's the thing -- we don't usually like changing defaults for
people, except where we change stuff all the time that is a default.
I think it's OK that we change that for people with existing accounts,
but would only want to do it where someone didn't already set another
value.  An example is the CSS -- we change it sitewide so all receive
it, but if someone is using a custom stylesheet, we don't change that,
too.

- Karsten
-- 
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http://quaid.fedorapeople.org
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[Máirín Duffy]

Karsten Wade wrote:
>  1. Making that setting on by default, and 
I would LOVE it if it was set by default. It seems like such
an overwhelming task for me to do manually I just never
bothered.

~m

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[Nigel Jones]

----- "Karsten Wade" <kwade(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:16:01AM -0500, susan_lists(a)ties.org
> wrote:
>  > On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Jon Stanley <jonstanley(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > 
>  > > If we can semi-protect ala wikipedia I'm in favor of that. If
>  not,
>  > > then let's deal with these as they come. I think that enough of
>  us
>  > > have watches on these important pages that we can revert any
>  vandalism
>  > > quickly. Let's not over-react to one incident here.
>  > >
>  > 
>  > I agree.
>  > 
>  > But this might be a good time to remind people - on other lists too
>  since I
>  > gather they are not all here yet - that everybody who writes to the
>  wiki
>  > should be watching any pages they help out with (write, help write,
>  or even
>  > use a lot).  The more active watchers the better.
>  
>  There is a configuration option to automatically watch all pages that
>  you edit or create.  I don't believe it is set by default.
>  
>  What do you think about:
>  
>  1. Making that setting on by default, and 
+/-0
To many combos to choose from, and it's NOT HARD for someone to do it themselves...

My Preferences->Watchlist->SELECT->Save

I have little indifference here, if people can agree on a specific combination then okay,
they can be defaults for new contributors...
>  
>  2. Changing that setting to on in the database for all existing
>     contributors? 
-1
Please lets not make the wiki a 'nanny state' it's not worth it, if I had my
way I'd be configuring the setting "Prompt me when entering a blank edit
summary" because blank summaries annoy me, I've had ample opportunity, but I
haven't.
>  
>  Here's the thing -- we don't usually like changing defaults for
>  people, except where we change stuff all the time that is a default.
>  I think it's OK that we change that for people with existing
>  accounts,
>  but would only want to do it where someone didn't already set another
>  value.  An example is the CSS -- we change it sitewide so all receive
>  it, but if someone is using a custom stylesheet, we don't change
>  that,
>  too. 
The database doesn't allow us to make that assumption, hence why we've
only been changing user defaults for search when we've added new namespaces...

- Nigel