xfce September 2012

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Midori 0.4.7 for Fedora 17?
by Heiko Adams 09 Jan '13

09 Jan '13

Hi, will Feodra 17 or even the Xfce 4.10 siderepo get updated packages for midori 0.4.7? -- Regards, Heiko Adams

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Icons in Xfce Menu
by Marcus Moeller 07 Oct '12

07 Oct '12

Hi all. In Fedora 18 Alpha, no icons are shown in the Xfce Panel menu. Is this a known problem, or should I open a BZ on that? Greets Marcus

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Couldn't make seahorse work on rc3-alpha spin.
by Sergio Cipolla 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Hi. I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17. While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test ) I couldn't add anything to seahorse ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857207 - I later tried another option and it also didn't work). I suspected it could be because the gnome-keyring components aren't set to auto-start so I checked them on 'Session and Startup' logged out and back in and seahorse still didn't work. I noticed from the task manager (I would love if htop was on the spin ;-) ) that only the ssh component of gnome-keyring was running and I don't know if this is normal (there are four components). So I'm writing because maybe someone would like to check that. Me testing on the live-cd isn't much reliable, also because my system is weak and that may influence. And it doesn't make sense to come with gnome-keyring in the Xfce spin unless it's enabled.

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Request for review: new desktop groups - XFCE
by Bill Nottingham 02 Oct '12

02 Oct '12

As part of https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/ReworkPackageGroups, I've been working on redoing some of the groups that make up installation choices in anaconda. The idea is to offer a simpler interface, where the user simply selects which environment they want to run in, plus options for that environment. Based on what's in the kickstart file for the XFCE spin, here's what I have for the XFCE: XFCE contains: desktop-backgrounds-compat Thunar xfce-utils xfce4-panel xfce4-session xfce4-settings xfconf xfdesktop xfwm4 ConsoleKit fedora-icon-theme lightgdm-gtk gtk-xfce-engine gvfs leafpad NetworkManager-gnome openssh-askpass orage polkit-gnome Terminal thunar-archive-plugin thunar-volman tumbler xarchiver xfce4-appfinder xfce4-icon-theme xfce4-mixer xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session-engines xfwm4-theme-nodoka xscreensaver-base cheese catfish galculator seahorse ConsoleKit-x11 NetworkManager-vpnc NetworkManager-openvpn NetworkManager-pptp gnome-bluetooth xdg-user-dirs-gtk adwaita-cursor-theme adwaita-gtk2-theme adwaita-gtk3-theme greybird-gtk2-theme greybird-gtk3-theme greybird-xfce4-notifyd-theme greybird-xfwm4-theme albatross-gtk2-theme albatross-gtk3-theme albatross-xfwm4-theme bluebird-gtk2-theme bluebird-gtk3-theme bluebird-xfwm4-theme ristretto thunar-media-tags-plugin xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-cellmodem-plugin xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin xfce4-dict-plugin xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-eyes-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin xfce4-screenshooter-plugin xfce4-sensors-plugin xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-time-out-plugin xfce4-timer-plugin xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-websearch-plugin xfce4-xfswitch-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin xfwm4-themes and has the following 'options' available: xfce-apps epdfview midori claws-mail claws-mail-plugins-archive claws-mail-plugins-att-remover claws-mail-plugins-attachwarner claws-mail-plugins-bogofilter claws-mail-plugins-fetchinfo claws-mail-plugins-mailmbox claws-mail-plugins-newmail claws-mail-plugins-notification claws-mail-plugins-pgp claws-mail-plugins-rssyl claws-mail-plugins-smime claws-mail-plugins-spam-report claws-mail-plugins-tnef claws-mail-plugins-vcalendar liferea pidgin remmina remmina-plugins-rdp remmina-plugins-vnc transmission xfce-media asunder pavucontrol parole pragha xfburn xfce-office abiword gnumeric I welcome any and all sanity-checking of this, and ideas for additions/removals. You can open the current F18/F19 comps files and see the data that makes this up - the 'xfce-desktop' environment defines what groups go into XFCE, and which are shown as options, and the groups referenced there define what packages make them up. Ideally, once this is firmed up, we can even switch the kickstart in spins-kickstart to refer to these groups, and retire the old ones. This way selecting XFCE in anaconda for DVD/network installations would provide the same experience as the Live image where possible. Thanks, Bill

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About the F18 spin and how to solve issues.
by Sergio Cipolla 26 Sep '12

26 Sep '12

Hello Fedora Xfce community. First a question: is there someone directly responsible for the Xfce spin? Or we shape it by reporting bugs to its components? Last ISO I tried was the nightly build from Sep 21st. I'm not on it now as my system (single-core, 1GB RAM) struggles with it when I use it for a while. I would like to know tips on how to disable some stuff so it loads lighter (I think I'll try selinux) and also boot 'fromiso' (it works differently than F17 so the old way doesn't work and boot from USB isn't an option for me as USB 1.1 is just as slow as a CD, maybe slower). I'll ask on the test list later anyway for those tips. Now to the issue of appearance, specially icons. Package libXcursor (required in F17 by xfce4-settings and gtk2/3) installs /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme: [Icon Theme] Inherits=Adwaita This looks like a bug. It points to Adwaita, but Adwaita doesn't point only to a cursor theme, instead it defines GTK, Metacity, icon (calls 'gnome') and cursor themes. /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/index.theme: {snip} GtkTheme=Adwaita MetacityTheme=Adwaita IconTheme=gnome CursorTheme=Adwaita CursorSize=24 Problem, in the live-CD this overrides whatever settings in Xfce. Even if cursor theme was set to 'Bluebird', GTK theme for something else than 'Adwaita' and icon theme for something else than 'gnome' (actually it's set to 'Rodent'), it would load Adwaita GTK/cursor and gnome icons, as it does now. So this is the first issue that needs to be addressed. Either libXcursor uses an alternative system (so each spin uses its choice of theme) or it calls a desktop-agnostic theme, like 'Fedora' (which would need a fix to call a cursor theme and maybe a GTK theme). If Adwaita is to be the default Fedora theme then it must be fixed to comply with Xfce too. This means mostly that 'gnome' icon theme would need some improvements or Adwaita should call 'Fedora' icon theme instead. The main icon missing for Xfce (in 'gnome' - thus 'Mist', thus 'Fedora' -, 'Tango' and 'Rodent') is system-suspend (see http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=25811#p25811 ), the 'Suspend' icon in the 'Actions' panel plugin. But a proper icon theme should have system-hibernate too (currently xfce4-session uses a workaround for this lack, shipping its own icons for the logout dialogue). Besides that we have a particular issue with the Xfce choice for icons. Currently it's set to use 'Rodent' (package xfce4-icon-theme-0:4.4.3-7.fc18). This theme is inconsistent *and* still isn't more compatible with Xfce than the other themes. If this package is to be kept, I suggest to update to a more consistent icon theme. Maybe https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce ? I didn't try it with the live-CD or else (and I don't use the 'Actions' plugin on my installed setup). Download is 4.2 MB, doesn't seem too large. Then it probably would just need to inherit 'Fedora' icon theme or maybe not even that as there's no more need for 'start-here' icons (and never was in Xfce). We should look if it doesn't use Ubuntu logos in its icons too. So that's it folks. I guess I'll post a version of this message on the test list so we can discuss the issue of default system-wide theme first before opening a bug report.

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Docs beats writer(s) for f18?
by Kevin Fenzi 19 Sep '12

19 Sep '12

Hey everyone. Per a note on the docs list: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-August/014540.html The "Beats" are open for Fedora 18... I see that there is currently no one signed up to do Xfce in the desktop section. Would anyone like to step up and write this? Note that for F18, we have updated to Xfce 4.10, so we can add a bunch of 4.10 goodies from the feature page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Xfce-4.10 Any takers? kevin

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Updated Adwaita Theme
by Marcus Moeller 19 Sep '12

19 Sep '12

Hi all. Some of you might have already noticed, that the Adwaita theme has been updated recently. It now includes a full GTK2 port, replacing the old Clearlooks fallback. That's great in general, but seems to cause some issues with non-GNOME DEs. First of all, drop down menus do no longer have borders. This has been the case with GTK3 apps, already, and has been reported upstream a long time ago (without any real reaction). Besides that the panel window buttons are looking stucked now, as there is no spacing between and around them. What are your ideas to handle these things? Is switching to another theme an option (maybe Greybird, which seems to be maintained well and is accepted by the userbase, already)? Greets Marcus

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Lighdm input area
by Frank Murphy 17 Sep '12

17 Sep '12

Where do the characters that are inputetted come from? Can I specify uk in lightdm somewhere? After a number of mails on the test list a created .service file has fixed my keymap problems, except for lightdm (still us mapped) https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-September/110137.html <quote> # fix gb keymap on display start # Author going a bit cracked. [Unit] Description=Fix keymap on disaply start DefaultDependencies=no After=local-fs.target sysinit.target display-manager.service [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/usr/bin/setxkbmap -rules evdev -model pc105 -layout gb -variant extd [Install] WantedBy=graphical.target </quote> -- Regards, Frank "Jack of all, fubars"

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xfce4-places-plugin dependency issue with Fedora 4.10 repo
by Suvayu Ali 17 Sep '12

17 Sep '12

Hi, I'm using the XFCE 4.10 repo by Kevin. I see this issue: Error: Package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Requires: libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3()(64bit) Available: xfce4-panel-4.8.6-4.fc17.x86_64 (fedora) libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3()(64bit) Installed: xfce4-panel-4.10.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found Error: Package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Requires: libxfce4util.so.4()(64bit) Available: libxfce4util-4.8.2-2.fc17.x86_64 (fedora) libxfce4util.so.4()(64bit) Installed: libxfce4util-4.10.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@anaconda-0) Not found It has been quite a few days, so I thought it might be worthwhile to point out. Thanks a lot. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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xfce4-places-plugin dependency issue on F17
by Jonathan Underwood 16 Sep '12

16 Sep '12

Hi, I am seeing the following dependency problem when I have the xfce 4.10 repo enabled on F17: # yum install xfce4-places-plugin Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package xfce4-places-plugin.x86_64 0:1.4.0-2.fc17 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libxfce4util.so.4()(64bit) for package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3()(64bit) for package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Requires: libxfce4util.so.4()(64bit) Available: libxfce4util-4.8.2-2.fc17.x86_64 (fedora) libxfce4util.so.4()(64bit) Installed: libxfce4util-4.10.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora-xfce-4.10) Not found Error: Package: xfce4-places-plugin-1.4.0-2.fc17.x86_64 (updates) Requires: libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3()(64bit) Available: xfce4-panel-4.8.6-4.fc17.x86_64 (fedora) libxfce4panel-1.0.so.3()(64bit) Installed: xfce4-panel-4.10.0-1.fc17.x86_64 (@fedora-xfce-4.10) Not found You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest Looks like the plugin needs bumping and rebuilding in the 4.10 repo? Cheers, Jonathan

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