Am Sonntag, den 01.07.2012, 14:39 +0000 schrieb Raphael Groner:
Hi,
I am currently far away from Fedora and the Xfce spin. Though, I would also like to say something to the topic theming of Xfce.
Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert at gmail.com Sat Jun 30 23:15:43 UTC 2012
Am Freitag, den 29.06.2012, 11:39 -0400 schrieb Jayson Rowe:
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Yeah, borderless windows look cool, but resizing is cumbersome.
The border could be only one pixel, so the mouse pointer recognizes it.
One can also make an invisible border by using the same color as the window content, but the problem becomes to hit the right spot. Hitting a single pixel is not easy.
I have grown to quite like the decoration listed as 'default' in the in the appearance settings. It's nice, clean and simple and looks nice with Adwaita.
Yes, we are already using the default XFWM theme in rawhide, so it will be in rawhide. We can still change it if we find something better.
Personally, I like to use the theme QtCurve in Xfce. It would have the advantage that additional/potentially installed Qt applications will fit with a similiar look&feel.
The QtCurve theme causes a lot of crashes and if you want qt anf GTK apps to look the same, you better set the qt style to "GTK+" which is included in qt already. This is easier installing an additional theme and changing both GTk2 and GTK3.
Mageia [*] has that theme only for Gtk2. Dunno what's provided in Fedora repos currently. There's a port [0] to Gtk3 available, as it seems.
I also didn't realize that about the Fedora logo on the application menu.
Meanwhile I found a solution for this, but it doesn't work for all themes.
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I don't want to say something to the logos and rebranding, in general.
Then don't it. Just don't. Simple, isn't it? ;)
This topic is a hot struggle all the time. Because I am not interested in the details of RedHat's licence model, they would have reasons for their decisions just like every company with a valid business model. At least, please don't start a disaster like it happened to Debian vs. Mozilla [1] with Iceweasel / Icedove / etc., or finally then GNU IceCat.
This is a completely different thing. Debian only ships Free software that can not only be redistributed but also modified. Mozilla on the other hand wants to protect their trademarks, so they forbid modifications of their logos.
As Fedora we are allowed to use the Fedora logo and nobody wants to modify it. We are fine - as long as our packages can easily changed back to the original look and feel.
One thing you definitely can help us with is QA. In Fedora 14 and 15 we had a good QA process and a lot of testers. We have a tracking bug that was blocked by all other bugs we wanted to fix for that release. I didn't have the time to do that for F16 and F17, and that's how we missed a few bugs.
As well, I don't want to point out something about the quality of Fedora seems to have went down in the recent releases. It's out of scope here for this topic. Definitely, it's not due to Xfce.
If you don't want to talk about the Quality of Fedora, why do you do it? ;)
And if start doing it, why don't state facts instead of vague accusations? So if you hit a bug, please clearly describe the symptoms and file a bug report in bugzilla.
AFAICS Fedora 17 is one of the most stable releases ever. I am running it since it was alpha and did not experience *any* problems (except some kernel issues that affect all releases). Just compare the list of known Fedora 17 bugs [1] to the F15 or F16 ones [2 + 3].
Kind regards, Christoph
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F17_bugs [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs