9:13 a.m.
Am Sonntag, den 01.07.2012, 14:39 +0000 schrieb Raphael Groner:
Hi,
I am currently far away from Fedora and the Xfce spin. Though, I would
also like to say something to the topic theming of Xfce.
Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert at gmail.com
Sat Jun 30 23:15:43 UTC 2012
> Am Freitag, den 29.06.2012, 11:39 -0400 schrieb Jayson Rowe:
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> Yeah, borderless windows look cool, but resizing is cumbersome.
>
The border could be only one pixel, so the mouse pointer recognizes it.
One can also make an invisible border by using the same color as the
window content, but the problem becomes to hit the right spot. Hitting a
single pixel is not easy.
> > I have grown to quite like the decoration listed as
'default' in
> > the in the appearance settings. It's nice, clean and simple and
> > looks nice with Adwaita.
>
> Yes, we are already using the default XFWM theme in rawhide, so it
> will be in rawhide. We can still change it if we find something
> better.
Personally, I like to use the theme QtCurve in Xfce. It would have
the advantage that additional/potentially installed Qt applications will
fit with a similiar look&feel.
The QtCurve theme causes a lot of crashes and if you want qt anf GTK
apps to look the same, you better set the qt style to "GTK+" which is
included in qt already. This is easier installing an additional theme
and changing both GTk2 and GTK3.
Mageia [*] has that theme only for Gtk2. Dunno what's provided
in
Fedora repos currently. There's a port [0] to Gtk3 available, as it
seems.
> > I also didn't realize that about the Fedora logo on the application
> > menu.
>
> Meanwhile I found a solution for this, but it doesn't work for all
> themes.
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I don't want to say something to the logos and rebranding, in general.
Then don't it. Just don't. Simple, isn't it? ;)
This topic is a hot struggle all the time. Because I am not
interested
in the details of RedHat's licence model, they would have reasons for
their decisions just like every company with a valid business model. At
least, please don't start a disaster like it happened to Debian vs.
Mozilla [1] with Iceweasel / Icedove / etc., or finally then GNU IceCat.
This is a completely different thing. Debian only ships Free software
that can not only be redistributed but also modified. Mozilla on the
other hand wants to protect their trademarks, so they forbid
modifications of their logos.
As Fedora we are allowed to use the Fedora logo and nobody wants to
modify it. We are fine - as long as our packages can easily changed back
to the original look and feel.
> One thing you definitely can help us with is QA. In Fedora 14
and 15
> we had a good QA process and a lot of testers. We have a tracking bug
> that was blocked by all other bugs we wanted to fix for that release.
> I didn't have the time to do that for F16 and F17, and that's how we
> missed a few bugs.
As well, I don't want to point out something about the quality of
Fedora seems to have went down in the recent releases. It's out of scope
here for this topic. Definitely, it's not due to Xfce.
If you don't want to talk about the Quality of Fedora, why do you do
it? ;)
And if start doing it, why don't state facts instead of vague
accusations? So if you hit a bug, please clearly describe the symptoms
and file a bug report in bugzilla.
AFAICS Fedora 17 is one of the most stable releases ever. I am running
it since it was alpha and did not experience *any* problems (except some
kernel issues that affect all releases). Just compare the list of known
Fedora 17 bugs [1] to the F15 or F16 ones [2 + 3].
Kind regards,
Christoph
[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F17_bugs
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F16_bugs