On 12/01/10 06:45, Christoph Wickert wrote: 
Some random thoughts about the package selection Spin:

Drop gftp (3,3 mb): we can do the same with Thunar and gigilo.
+1
Drop totem: Should save us ~ 12 mb. Parole seems a good alternative.
0.2.0 was just released and works fine, except there are some problems
with the audio. And we would loose automatic codec installation with
PackageKit.
I'd settle for anything with working DVD menus. totem-xine worked fine, but in F12 this was axed before the resindvd gstreamer plugin was fully functional... I'm using the stable release, does anyone know if this problem is fixed in rawhide? If it's not fixed in time for F13 I'd rather ship with VLC (which works fine), having a working DVD player is pretty important to many end users.
Replace mousepad with leafpad? Mousepad was forked from leafpad to add
printing. Unfortunately this requires xfconf wich we don't ship (in
favor of system-config-printer) and is very limited. Leafpad now has
full printing support via the gtk-print dialog. A rewrite of mousepad is
planned, but it's not sure if it will be before F13.
+1
What about midori? of course we are not going to drop it, but I don't
think that it can replace firefox until F13, for example it doesn't work
with the java or parole plugin.
Midori rocks, but firefox is an app that newcomers to Linux would recognise, and the first one they would look for when they need help!
Another login manager? We could use to SLiM or LXDM. LXDM has more
features, but is still in early stages of development and there are
still SELinux problems. Downsides:
     1. With SLiM and LXDM we loose automatic unlocking of the default
        keyring, but we are working on this (at least I am in LXDM).
     2. We loose fast user switching. Not sure how popular this is
        though.
I like the idea if we lose some gnome dependencies - I won't miss fast user switching! It would have to be stable though.
Include some plugins for geany?

More development stuff, e.g meld?
It seems to me that the first thing any developer will do after an install is go to the repos with a their own list of preferred tools to install, regardless of what is installed by default.
More suggestions or feedback, especially on the login manager?
I thought the default package list for Fedora 12 was pretty damn good. I can't remember whether ristretto was installed by default, if not then imho that should be included in F13.
Regards,
Christoph


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