Couldn't make seahorse work on rc3-alpha spin.

[Sergio Cipolla]

Hi.
I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17.
While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin ( 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test ) I 
couldn't add anything to seahorse ( 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857207 - I later tried 
another option and it also didn't work).

I suspected it could be because the gnome-keyring components aren't set 
to auto-start so I checked them on 'Session and Startup' logged out and 
back in and seahorse still didn't work.
I noticed from the task manager (I would love if htop was on the spin 
;-) ) that only the ssh component of gnome-keyring was running and I 
don't know if this is normal (there are four components).

So I'm writing because maybe someone would like to check that.
Me testing on the live-cd isn't much reliable, also because my system is 
weak and that may influence.
And it doesn't make sense to come with gnome-keyring in the Xfce spin 
unless it's enabled.

[Rex Dieter]

Sergio wrote:

>  I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17.
>  While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin (
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test ) I
>  couldn't add anything to seahorse (
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857207 - I later tried
>  another option and it also didn't work). 
Only base gnome-keyring functionality works outside of gnome (passwords), 
the rest (like key management) is gnome-only on purpose.  Related bug,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783568

-- rex

[Tim Lauridsen]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:

>  Sergio wrote:
>
>  > I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17.
>  > While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin (
>  > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test ) I
>  > couldn't add anything to seahorse (
>  > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857207 - I later tried
>  > another option and it also didn't work).
>
>  Only base gnome-keyring functionality works outside of gnome (passwords),
>  the rest (like key management) is gnome-only on purpose.  Related bug,
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783568
>
>  -- rex
>
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If you want to have a working gnome-keyring in XFCE 4.10, you can check
'Launch GNOME services on startup" in "Startup and Session (Advanced)",
it
has been changed from earlier version of XFCE to only start gnome-keyring
deamon and not all the services in /etc/xdg/autostart there has a
'OnlyShowIn=GNOME'.

http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences

I have only tested it for SSH key, there can be other stuff, not working as
in Gnome.

Tim

[Sergio Cipolla]

On 10/03/2012 05:15 AM, tim.lauridsen(a)gmail.com wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Rex Dieter
> <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>
> > Sergio wrote:
> >
> >> I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17.
> >> While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin (
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test ) I
> >> couldn't add anything to seahorse (
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=857207 - I later tried
> >> another option and it also didn't work).
> >
> > Only base gnome-keyring functionality works outside of gnome (passwords),
> > the rest (like key management) is gnome-only on purpose.  Related bug,
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=783568
> >
> > -- rex
> >
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> >
>
>  If you want to have a working gnome-keyring in XFCE 4.10, you can check
>  'Launch GNOME services on startup" in "Startup and Session
> (Advanced)", it
>  has been changed from earlier version of XFCE to only start gnome-keyring
>  deamon and not all the services in /etc/xdg/autostart there has a
>  'OnlyShowIn=GNOME'.
>
>  http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences
>
>  I have only tested it for SSH key, there can be other stuff, not working as
>  in Gnome.
>
>  Tim
>  
Thanks, Tim.
But I only tested the live-CD. I don't use Seahorse here in F17.
I actually didn't check the 'launch GNOME services' box but did check 
all the GNOME keyring components and logged out and back in, just to test.
Anyway, if it eventually doesn't work in Xfce then maybe it should be 
left out from the spin.

[Heiko Adams]

Am 03.10.2012 11:33, schrieb Sergio:
>  
>  Thanks, Tim.
>  But I only tested the live-CD. I don't use Seahorse here in F17.
>  I actually didn't check the 'launch GNOME services' box but did check
>  all the GNOME keyring components and logged out and back in, just to test.
>  Anyway, if it eventually doesn't work in Xfce then maybe it should be
>  left out from the spin.
>   
So what would you suggest as an alternative to seahorse?
-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Heiko Adams

[Sergio Cipolla]

On 10/03/2012 06:41 AM, Heiko Adams wrote:
>  Am 03.10.2012 11:33, schrieb Sergio:
> >
> > Thanks, Tim.
> > But I only tested the live-CD. I don't use Seahorse here in F17.
> > I actually didn't check the 'launch GNOME services' box but did check
> > all the GNOME keyring components and logged out and back in, just to test.
> > Anyway, if it eventually doesn't work in Xfce then maybe it should be
> > left out from the spin.
> >
>  So what would you suggest as an alternative to seahorse?
>  
  IDK. I don't use it.
Only said that if it isn't working then better not ship it by default.

For remembering passwords (which IIRC is one of the uses for seahorse) I 
use Keepassx but that's a Qt app.

[Sergio Cipolla]

BTW, Beta TC1 images are at
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/18-Beta-TC1/Live/i386/

[Tim Lauridsen]

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Sergio <secipolla(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 10/03/2012 05:15 AM, tim.lauridsen(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> >
> >  Sergio wrote:
> >>
> >>  I don't have gnome-keyring nor seahorse installed in my F17.
> >>> While testing the rc3-alpha Xfce spin (
> >>>
> https://fedoraproject.org/**wiki/Test_Results:Current_**Desktop_Test<h...)
> I
> >>> couldn't add anything to seahorse (
> >>>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=857207<https://bugzilla....
> I later tried
> >>> another option and it also didn't work).
> >>>
> >>
> >> Only base gnome-keyring functionality works outside of gnome (passwords),
> >> the rest (like key management) is gnome-only on purpose.  Related bug,
> >>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/**show_bug.cgi?id=783568<https://bugzilla....
> >>
> >> -- rex
> >>
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> >>
> > If you want to have a working gnome-keyring in XFCE 4.10, you can check
> > 'Launch GNOME services on startup" in "Startup and Session
> (Advanced)", it
> > has been changed from earlier version of XFCE to only start gnome-keyring
> > deamon and not all the services in /etc/xdg/autostart there has a
> > 'OnlyShowIn=GNOME'.
> >
> >
> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/**xfce4-session/preferences<http://docs.xfce...
> >
> > I have only tested it for SSH key, there can be other stuff, not working
> > as
> > in Gnome.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>  Thanks, Tim.
>  But I only tested the live-CD. I don't use Seahorse here in F17.
>  I actually didn't check the 'launch GNOME services' box but did check all
>  the GNOME keyring components and logged out and back in, just to test.
>  Anyway, if it eventually doesn't work in Xfce then maybe it should be left
>  out from the spin.
>
>  Checking the 4 GNOME keyring components, don't work, 'launch GNOME
services' does some extra stuff, besides starting the services, like
exporting some environment vars

Tim

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