Fedora 42 and XFCE 4.20 TLC

[fetch]

Hi all!

XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would be a good time 
to do some TLC on the website/docs.

For instance:

* Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce) page with a 
more recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications

* * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we switch that 
and Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric, so maybe 
find an alternate writer?

* * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide 20250204.n.0 in the 
same spirit as the current example: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'. 
I can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to update the 
spins.fedoraproject.org page (:

* I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce (only for 
English, sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if I've 
missed anything!

* I think updating the Live CD page 
(https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might be a good idea 
as I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image generation; 
might be handy to include the new stuff (:

Thanks,

Sean

FAS:seaninspace

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> Hi all!

hello!
> XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would be a good time to
> do some TLC on the website/docs.

Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> For instance:
> Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce) page with a more
>
> recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications

This can be done via 
https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org for help.
> * * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we switch that and
> Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric, so maybe find an
> alternate writer?

Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's large size, but
we could just do that. :(
> * * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide 20250204.n.0 in the same
> spirit as the current example:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'. I
> can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to update the
> spins.fedoraproject.org page (:

See above. ;)
> I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce (only for English,
>
> sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if I've missed
> anything!

Might replace the yum calls to dnf? 
and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> I think updating the Live CD page
>
> (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might be a good idea as
> I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image generation; might be
> handy to include the new stuff (:

Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)

kevin

[Benyamin Limanto]

Hello all.

Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown editor like
Marker instead of abiword format documents?

Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?

Regards,
Benyamin Limanto
sent from my 红米十二 Pro

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce <
[e-mail]> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> > Hi all!
>
> hello!
> > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would be a good time
>
> to
> > do some TLC on the website/docs.
>
> Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> > For instance:
> > Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce) page with a
>
> more
> > recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications
>
> This can be done via
>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
> ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org for help.
> > Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we switch that
>
> and
> > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric, so maybe find
>
> an
> > alternate writer?
>
> Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's large size, but
> we could just do that. :(
> > I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide 20250204.n.0 in the
>
> same
> > spirit as the current example:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
>
> I
> > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to update the
> > spins.fedoraproject.org page (:
>
> See above. ;)
> > I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce (only for
>
> English,
> > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if I've missed
> > anything!
>
> Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
> and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> > I think updating the Live CD page
> >
> > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might be a good
>
> idea as
> > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image generation; might
>
> be
> > handy to include the new stuff (:
>
> Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
> kevin
>
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[Benyamin Limanto]

Or probably focus writer from the developer of whisker menu of xfce?

I think now days office is big tbh..

As gnome doesn't have office, and xfce does not build one. 😂

I do agree Libreoffice is too big in an ISO for xfce. 😂

Regards,
Benyamin Limanto
sent from my 红米十二 Pro

On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 19:27 Benyamin Limanto  wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown editor like
> Marker instead of abiword format documents?
>
> Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?
>
> Regards,
> Benyamin Limanto
> sent from my 红米十二 Pro
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> > > Hi all!
> >
> > hello!
> > > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would be a good
> >
> > time to
> > > do some TLC on the website/docs.
> >
> > Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> > > For instance:
> > > Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce) page with a
> >
> > more
> > > recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications
> >
> > This can be done via
> >
> > https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
> > ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org for help.
> > > Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we switch that
> >
> > and
> > > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric, so maybe
> >
> > find an
> > > alternate writer?
> >
> > Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's large size, but
> > we could just do that. :(
> > > I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide 20250204.n.0 in the
> >
> > same
> > > spirit as the current example:
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
> >
> > I
> > > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to update the
> > > spins.fedoraproject.org page (:
> >
> > See above. ;)
> > > I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce (only for
> >
> > English,
> > > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if I've missed
> > > anything!
> >
> > Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
> > and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> > > I think updating the Live CD page
> > >
> > > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might be a good
> >
> > idea as
> > > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image generation;
> >
> > might be
> > > handy to include the new stuff (:
> >
> > Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
> > kevin
> >
> > xfce mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > Fedora Code of Conduct:
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Hi all,

Small update:

* I've submitted the new screenshot to the CMS, needs to be 
approved/published I suppose: 
https://fedora.gitlab.io/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.org...

* RE the writer; turns out abiword is in F42 and is still being 
maintained here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/AbiWord. I've submitted 
a request to have it re-added to the xfce-office group here: 
https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1081#

* I'll work on more wiki additions, but anyone else is more than 
welcomed to as well :) Here are two additions I think we can add:
* * How to test Wayland (from starting with a fresh install onward): 
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing

* * Details on how the Live CD is created with Kiwi. I haven't figured 
out exactly how that is all done, but this seems like a good spot to 
start https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages

Thanks to Kevin for the help, and for your suggestion Benyamin! I had no 
idea the whisker menu developer had made something like that! I'm not 
trying to be biased towards Abiword (though I personally like the 
speed/simplicity of abiword), it just seems like the path of least 
resistance to get back a writer, so I'm happy to support whatever people 
feel like is best!

Thanks for all your help and thoughts!

Sean

FAS:seaninspace

On 2/7/25 1:33 PM, Benyamin Limanto via xfce wrote:
> Or probably focus writer from the developer of whisker menu of xfce?
>
> I think now days office is big tbh..
>
> As gnome doesn't have office, and xfce does not build one. 😂
>
> I do agree Libreoffice is too big in an ISO for xfce. 😂
>
> Regards,
> Benyamin Limanto
> sent from my 红米十二 Pro
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 19:27 Benyamin Limanto  wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown
> editor like Marker instead of abiword format documents?
>
> Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Benyamin Limanto
> sent from my 红米十二 Pro
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>     On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
>     > Hi all!
>
>     hello!
>
>     > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would be
>     a good time to
>     > do some TLC on the website/docs.
>
>     Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
>
>     > For instance:
>     >
>     > * Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce)
>     page with a more
>     > recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications
>
>     This can be done via
>     https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
>     ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org>
>     for help.
>     >
>     >   * * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we
>     switch that and
>     > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric,
>     so maybe find an
>     > alternate writer?
>
>     Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's large
>     size, but
>     we could just do that. :(
>
>     >   * * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide
>     20250204.n.0 in the same
>     > spirit as the current example:
>     >
>     https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
>     I
>     > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to
>     update the
>     > spins.fedoraproject.org <http://spins.fedoraproject.org> page (:
>
>     See above. ;)
>
>     > * I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce (only
>     for English,
>     > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if
>     I've missed
>     > anything!
>
>     Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
>     and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
>
>     > * I think updating the Live CD page
>     > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might be
>     a good idea as
>     > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image
>     generation; might be
>     > handy to include the new stuff (:
>
>     Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
>
>     kevin
>     -- 
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[fetch]

Hi all,

I think most of the things I was hoping to get done for F42 are complete:

* The updated screenshot is now live! https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce

* While Abiword is technically in F42, it seemed like a better idea (and 
a good time) to just switch to libreoffice-writer/calc. Sorry for the 
back and forth on this; it seemed a bit easier/more consistent to just 
go with programs that are already maintained well in Fedora rather than 
redoing all the work for Abiword's new upstream (I'm not a package 
maintainer anyway). The switch for F42+ was done here: 
https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1086#

* * I've also updated the https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce page with 
the libreoffice changes and some minor edits to improve consistency 
between the spins, but those wont go live until F42 is released: 
https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.or...

* Wiki additions are done

* * I've added a section for testing Wayland here: 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce#Testing_Wayland.

* * The details about the LiveCD and its creation have also been 
updated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive

Thanks everyone for your help! Looking forward to F42 :)

Sean

FAS:seaninspace

On 2/7/25 2:13 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Small update:
> I've submitted the new screenshot to the CMS, needs to be
>
> approved/published I suppose: 
> https://fedora.gitlab.io/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.org...
> RE the writer; turns out abiword is in F42 and is still being
>
> maintained here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/AbiWord. I've 
> submitted a request to have it re-added to the xfce-office group here: 
> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1081#
> I'll work on more wiki additions, but anyone else is more than
>
> welcomed to as well :) Here are two additions I think we can add:
> How to test Wayland (from starting with a fresh install onward):
>
> https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing
> Details on how the Live CD is created with Kiwi. I haven't figured
>
> out exactly how that is all done, but this seems like a good spot to 
> start https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages
>
> Thanks to Kevin for the help, and for your suggestion Benyamin! I had 
> no idea the whisker menu developer had made something like that! I'm 
> not trying to be biased towards Abiword (though I personally like the 
> speed/simplicity of abiword), it just seems like the path of least 
> resistance to get back a writer, so I'm happy to support whatever 
> people feel like is best!
>
> Thanks for all your help and thoughts!
>
> Sean
>
> FAS:seaninspace
>
> On 2/7/25 1:33 PM, Benyamin Limanto via xfce wrote:
> > Or probably focus writer from the developer of whisker menu of xfce?
> >
> > I think now days office is big tbh..
> >
> > As gnome doesn't have office, and xfce does not build one. 😂
> >
> > I do agree Libreoffice is too big in an ISO for xfce. 😂
> >
> > Regards,
> > Benyamin Limanto
> > sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 19:27 Benyamin Limanto  
> > wrote:
> > Hello all.
> >
> > Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown
> > editor like Marker instead of abiword format documents?
> >
> > Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Benyamin Limanto
> > sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce
> > <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> >     On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> >     > Hi all!
> >
> >     hello!
> >
> >     > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would
> >     be a good time to
> >     > do some TLC on the website/docs.
> >
> >     Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> >
> >     > For instance:
> >     >
> >     > * Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce)
> >     page with a more
> >     > recent screenshot and update the list of installed applications
> >
> >     This can be done via
> >     https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
> >     ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org>
> >     for help.
> >     >
> >     >   * * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we
> >     switch that and
> >     > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric,
> >     so maybe find an
> >     > alternate writer?
> >
> >     Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's
> >     large size, but
> >     we could just do that. :(
> >
> >     >   * * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide
> >     20250204.n.0 in the same
> >     > spirit as the current example:
> >     >
> >     https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
> >     I
> >     > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to
> >     update the
> >     > spins.fedoraproject.org <http://spins.fedoraproject.org>
> >     page (:
> >
> >     See above. ;)
> >
> >     > * I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce
> >     (only for English,
> >     > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if
> >     I've missed
> >     > anything!
> >
> >     Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
> >     and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> >
> >     > * I think updating the Live CD page
> >     > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might
> >     be a good idea as
> >     > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image
> >     generation; might be
> >     > handy to include the new stuff (:
> >
> >     Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
> >
> >     kevin
> >     -- 
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     xfce mailing list -- [e-mail]
> >     To unsubscribe send an email to
> >     [e-mail]
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[Bruce Hohl]

Glad to see Abiword will be kept.  I still use Abiword and Gnumeric
regularly because I can depend on these programs to just work.  Sure they
have some not show stopping issues/bugs which will likely never be resolved
but they are lighting fast.  And none of my time is wasted on changes which
I may or may not like which keeps me focused on my work instead the text
editor and spreadsheet.  If I need a "missing" feature, I use Libre or
Google.

On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 3:46 AM fetch via xfce 
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think most of the things I was hoping to get done for F42 are complete:
>
> The updated screenshot is now live! https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce
>
> While Abiword is technically in F42, it seemed like a better idea (and
>
> a good time) to just switch to libreoffice-writer/calc. Sorry for the
> back and forth on this; it seemed a bit easier/more consistent to just
> go with programs that are already maintained well in Fedora rather than
> redoing all the work for Abiword's new upstream (I'm not a package
> maintainer anyway). The switch for F42+ was done here:
> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1086#
> I've also updated the https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce page with
>
> the libreoffice changes and some minor edits to improve consistency
> between the spins, but those wont go live until F42 is released:
>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.or...
>
> Wiki additions are done
> I've added a section for testing Wayland here:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce#Testing_Wayland.
> The details about the LiveCD and its creation have also been
>
> updated: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive
>
> Thanks everyone for your help! Looking forward to F42 :)
>
> Sean
>
> FAS:seaninspace
>
> On 2/7/25 2:13 PM, [e-mail] wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Small update:
> > I've submitted the new screenshot to the CMS, needs to be
> >
> > approved/published I suppose:
>
> https://fedora.gitlab.io/websites-apps/fedora-websites/cms/fedoraproject.org...
> > RE the writer; turns out abiword is in F42 and is still being
> >
> > maintained here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/AbiWord. I've
> > submitted a request to have it re-added to the xfce-office group here:
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/1081#
> > I'll work on more wiki additions, but anyone else is more than
> >
> > welcomed to as well :) Here are two additions I think we can add:
> > How to test Wayland (from starting with a fresh install onward):
> >
> > https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap#testing
> > Details on how the Live CD is created with Kiwi. I haven't figured
> >
> > out exactly how that is all done, but this seems like a good spot to
> > start https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KiwiBuiltCloudImages
> >
> > Thanks to Kevin for the help, and for your suggestion Benyamin! I had
> > no idea the whisker menu developer had made something like that! I'm
> > not trying to be biased towards Abiword (though I personally like the
> > speed/simplicity of abiword), it just seems like the path of least
> > resistance to get back a writer, so I'm happy to support whatever
> > people feel like is best!
> >
> > Thanks for all your help and thoughts!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> > FAS:seaninspace
> >
> > On 2/7/25 1:33 PM, Benyamin Limanto via xfce wrote:
> > > Or probably focus writer from the developer of whisker menu of xfce?
> > >
> > > I think now days office is big tbh..
> > >
> > > As gnome doesn't have office, and xfce does not build one. 😂
> > >
> > > I do agree Libreoffice is too big in an ISO for xfce. 😂
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Benyamin Limanto
> > > sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 19:27 Benyamin Limanto 
> > > wrote:
> > > Hello all.
> > >
> > > Just curious to ask, will you all consider move using markdown
> > > editor like Marker instead of abiword format documents?
> > >
> > > Or it's not good migration path for xfce spins?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Benyamin Limanto
> > > sent from my 红米十二 Pro
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 7, 2025, 01:51 Kevin Fenzi via xfce
> > > <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > >
> > >     On Thu, Feb 06, 2025 at 01:56:17PM +0000, fetch via xfce wrote:
> > >     > Hi all!
> > >
> > >     hello!
> > >
> > >     > XFCE 4.20 is in Fedora 42, woo! I was thinking this would
> > >     be a good time to
> > >     > do some TLC on the website/docs.
> > >
> > >     Awesome. Thanks for taking that on.
> > >
> > >     > For instance:
> > >     >
> > >     > * Update the spins (https://fedoraproject.org/spins/xfce)
> > >     page with a more
> > >     > recent screenshot and update the list of installed
>
> applications
> > >     This can be done via
>
> https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/
> > >     ask in #websites:fedoraproject.org <http://fedoraproject.org>
> > >     for help.
> > >     >
> > >     >   * * Abiword is no longer included, for example. Should we
> > >     switch that and
> > >     > Gnumeric to LibreOffice? I personally quite like Gnumeric,
> > >     so maybe find an
> > >     > alternate writer?
> > >
> > >     Yeah, we have resisted including libreoffice due to it's
> > >     large size, but
> > >     we could just do that. :(
> > >
> > >     >   * * I've made a screenshot from Fedora 42 Rawhide
> > >     20250204.n.0 in the same
> > >     > spirit as the current example:
> > >     >
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Screenshot_2025-02-06_14-18-50.png'.
> > >     I
> > >     > can add that if someone wouldn't mind reminding me how to
> > >     update the
> > >     > spins.fedoraproject.org <http://spins.fedoraproject.org>
> > >     page (:
> > >
> > >     See above. ;)
> > >
> > >     > * I've also edited https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xfce
> > >     (only for English,
> > >     > sorry :/). If you happen to glance over it let me know if
> > >     I've missed
> > >     > anything!
> > >
> > >     Might replace the yum calls to dnf?
> > >     and add a bit about testing on wayland in 4.20?
> > >
> > >     > * I think updating the Live CD page
> > >     > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Xfce/XfceLive) might
> > >     be a good idea as
> > >     > I heard other spins are moving to kiwi for their image
> > >     generation; might be
> > >     > handy to include the new stuff (:
> > >
> > >     Yeah, Xfce has actually already moved to kiwi also. ;)
> > >
> > >     kevin
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[Kevin Fenzi]

Thanks for doing all those things!

kevin