Live CD Request for Enhancement: screen savers

[ToddAndMargo]

Dear Fedora Xfce,

http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/...

Request for Enhancement:

I do so love the Live CD's: use them for troubleshooting
and installation of new systems.

Problem: the screen saver comes without any screen savers.
Makes you think the stinker is broken.  Causes a lot of
consternation.  And, makes you look a little stupid in front
of the customer after bragging how well done Xfce Linux is.

Would you please include the screen savers with the screen saver?

Here is a article on the problem:
 
http://laboinaroja.org/2014/01/28/how-to-install-screensavers-in-fedora-20/


The money part is:
    yum install xscreensaver-base xscreensaver-extras 
xscreensaver-extras-base xscreensaver-gl-base xscreensaver-gl-extras

Many thanks,
-T

[Mukundan Ragavan]

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On 11/07/2014 02:36 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
>  Dear Fedora Xfce,
>  
>
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/...
>
>  
>  
>  Request for Enhancement:
>  
>  I do so love the Live CD's: use them for troubleshooting and
>  installation of new systems.
>  
>  Problem: the screen saver comes without any screen savers. Makes
>  you think the stinker is broken.  Causes a lot of consternation.
>  And, makes you look a little stupid in front of the customer after
>  bragging how well done Xfce Linux is.
>  
>  Would you please include the screen savers with the screen saver?
>   
Are you sure the live CD does not contain a screensaver?

The live CD kickstart file (at least for nightly images) installs the
group xfce-desktop. xscreensaver-base should installed as a part of that.

Unless, of course, I am wrong here.


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[ToddAndMargo]

HIOn 11/08/2014 01:17 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
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>  On 11/07/2014 02:36 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> > Dear Fedora Xfce,
> >
> >
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/...
> >
> >
> >
> > Request for Enhancement:
> >
> > I do so love the Live CD's: use them for troubleshooting and
> > installation of new systems.
> >
> > Problem: the screen saver comes without any screen savers. Makes
> > you think the stinker is broken.  Causes a lot of consternation.
> > And, makes you look a little stupid in front of the customer after
> > bragging how well done Xfce Linux is.
> >
> > Would you please include the screen savers with the screen saver?
> >
>
>  Are you sure the live CD does not contain a screensaver?
>
>  The live CD kickstart file (at least for nightly images) installs the
>  group xfce-desktop. xscreensaver-base should installed as a part of that.
>
>  Unless, of course, I am wrong here.
>  
Hi Mukundan,

Yup.  They are missing.  Red Hat got a bit "annoyed" at me
for reporting it to them first.  Said to report it to you.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161780

During the process with Red Hat, I found that the KDM Live
CD was missing them too.  And Red Hat pointed out that "Mate"
came with them.

The problem is exactly as described in this link:
http://laboinaroja.org/2014/01/28/how-to-install-screensavers-in-fedora-20/
-T

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 18:48:33 -0800
ToddAndMargo <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; wrote:

>  HIOn 11/08/2014 01:17 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
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>  > On 11/07/2014 02:36 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
>  >> Dear Fedora Xfce,
>  >>
>  >>
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/...
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Request for Enhancement:
>  >>
>  >> I do so love the Live CD's: use them for troubleshooting and
>  >> installation of new systems.
>  >>
>  >> Problem: the screen saver comes without any screen savers. Makes
>  >> you think the stinker is broken.  Causes a lot of consternation.
>  >> And, makes you look a little stupid in front of the customer after
>  >> bragging how well done Xfce Linux is.
>  >>
>  >> Would you please include the screen savers with the screen saver?
>  >>
>  >
>  > Are you sure the live CD does not contain a screensaver?
>  >
>  > The live CD kickstart file (at least for nightly images) installs
>  > the group xfce-desktop. xscreensaver-base should installed as a
>  > part of that.
>  >
>  > Unless, of course, I am wrong here.
>  >
>  
>  Hi Mukundan,
>  
>  Yup.  They are missing.  Red Hat got a bit "annoyed" at me
>  for reporting it to them first.  Said to report it to you.
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161780 
The person in that bug is not "Red Hat". They are in fact the community
MATE maintainer. ;) 
 
>  During the process with Red Hat, I found that the KDM Live
>  CD was missing them too.  And Red Hat pointed out that "Mate"
>  came with them.
>  
>  The problem is exactly as described in this link:
>  http://laboinaroja.org/2014/01/28/how-to-install-screensavers-in-fedora-20/
>  -T 
Right, the base package is the only one installed... so it can simply
blank the display. The extras package with the screensavers is another
8MB or so. 

Right now we are still over space, so we can't add these now unless: 

* We can reclaim enough space 

or

* Change our target to 1GB usb instead of 700MB cd. I suppose we may
  have to do this, as it's becoming very very hard to fit in 700MB. 

kevin

[Mukundan Ragavan]

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On 11/13/2014 01:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

>  Right now we are still over space, so we can't add these now
>  unless:
>  
>  * We can reclaim enough space
>  
>  or
>  
>  * Change our target to 1GB usb instead of 700MB cd. I suppose we
>  may have to do this, as it's becoming very very hard to fit in
>  700MB.
>  
>  kevin
>   
kevin,

Let's just give up on 700 MB CD. This way we can include both
xscreensaver*extra* and system-config-printer.

Unless, of course, others have objection is giving up the CD images.

cheers,
Mukundan.


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[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/18/2014 06:36 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
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>  On 11/13/2014 01:52 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> > Right now we are still over space, so we can't add these now
> > unless:
> >
> > * We can reclaim enough space
> >
> > or
> >
> > * Change our target to 1GB usb instead of 700MB cd. I suppose we
> > may have to do this, as it's becoming very very hard to fit in
> > 700MB.
> >
> > kevin
> >
>
>  kevin,
>
>  Let's just give up on 700 MB CD. This way we can include both
>  xscreensaver*extra* and system-config-printer.
>
>  Unless, of course, others have objection is giving up the CD images.
>
>  cheers,
>  Mukundan. 
Hi Mukundan,

I repair the things for a living.  I can not remember seeing
a CD only reader in years and years.  They are all CD/DVD,
and a slight few blu-ray.

Also a Live DVD would allow for a Live USB, which is even
cooler yet.

A lot of el-cheap-o laptops are now dropping DVD all together.
So a Live DVD with "dd" for a USB stick would be great.

My two cents,

-T

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[Kevin Fenzi]

I suppose we can... there are still people (a diminishing number) that
have 700MB cd's, but I suppose perhaps this is a good time to move on. 

So, lets retarget for now for a 1GB usb/dvd? 

In which case we should look at removing some of the space saving I did
recently. I'll try and do that later today. 

kevin

[Mukundan Ragavan]

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On 11/19/2014 10:34 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  I suppose we can... there are still people (a diminishing number)
>  that have 700MB cd's, but I suppose perhaps this is a good time to
>  move on.
>  
>  So, lets retarget for now for a 1GB usb/dvd?
>  
>  In which case we should look at removing some of the space saving I
>  did recently. I'll try and do that later today.
>   
I am all for it! Let's go for 1GB.

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[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/19/2014 08:34 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  I suppose we can... there are still people (a diminishing number)
> that
>  have 700MB cd's 
Hi Kevin,

If they are that old, they would have real issues trying
to run the latest Xfce.

Also, it does drive me bats that I can not run the
latest Xfce on RHEL 6.x/SL 6.x due to EL's deliberate
out-of-date configuration and Xfce's unwillingness to
develop on EL platforms to avoid these kinds of
problems.

So, my long winded point is that the same issues that
keep me on old version of Xfce on EL 6.6, will also
keep folks with old CD only technology from using
a current Live CD.

So go for the Live DVD!

-T

[Martin Sourada]

V Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:36:05 -0800
ToddAndMargo <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; napsáno:

>  Dear Fedora Xfce,
>  
>
> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/21-Beta/...
>  
>  Request for Enhancement:
>  
>  I do so love the Live CD's: use them for troubleshooting
>  and installation of new systems.
>  
>  Problem: the screen saver comes without any screen savers.
>  Makes you think the stinker is broken.  Causes a lot of
>  consternation.  And, makes you look a little stupid in front
>  of the customer after bragging how well done Xfce Linux is.
>  
>  Would you please include the screen savers with the screen saver?
>  
>  Here is a article on the problem:
>   
>  http://laboinaroja.org/2014/01/28/how-to-install-screensavers-in-fedora-20/
>  
>  
>  The money part is:
>      yum install xscreensaver-base xscreensaver-extras 
>  xscreensaver-extras-base xscreensaver-gl-base xscreensaver-gl-extras
>  
>  Many thanks,
>  -T
>  
Hi Todd,

FWIW, from my perspective this is perfectly the correct state of
things. When we are trying to fit size-wise into a CD it's IMHO pretty
contraproductive trying to fit in things that are completelly
useless eyecandy with oxymoronic name (they don't save screen at
all, quite the contrary!). Best screen saver is black locked screen.
Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Martin