f14 Xfce spin size (redux)

[Kevin Fenzi]

ok.

I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
with dropping the following:

gnumeric (do people really need a spreadsheet on a live media?)
gimp (as pointed out, gimp is very cool, but it's not really something
people trying out Xfce need to use/see). 
some aspell dicts

This takes us down to 695MB.

Thoughts?

kevin
--
diff --git a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
index f9b5fa1..9cc9cb5 100644
--- a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
+++ b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
@@ -16,13 +16,11 @@

# Office
 abiword
-gnumeric

# Graphics
 evince
 -evince-dvi
 -evince-djvu
-gimp

# development
 geany
@@ -88,6 +86,7 @@ wget
 irssi
 mutt
 yum-utils
+fpaste

# xfce packages
 @xfce-desktop
@@ -143,7 +142,7 @@ xfce4-xkb-plugin
 xfwm4-themes

# dictionaries are big
-#-aspell-*
+-aspell-*
 #-man-pages-*

# more fun with space saving

[Ron Leach]

Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
> with dropping the following:

Good news.  Is there an image I could try?  I'd like to test the RC3 
beta, but I can only do so from a CD.
> gnumeric (do people really need a spreadsheet on a live media?)

You're probably correct.  Oddly, Gnumeric is sometimes more 'xls' 
compatible than OOo is, I've found.  But unless someone is 'checking' 
whether fedora represents a possible path away from Windows, 
particularly in a business environment where xls compatibility is 
pretty crucial, I wouldn't think it matters too much.

I guess I'm wondering that people use 'live spins' to 'see if 
something looks promising'.  Committed/Believing users will already 
know, and won't need a spreadsheet.
> This takes us down to 695MB.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> diff --git a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> index f9b5fa1..9cc9cb5 100644
> --- a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> +++ b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> @@ -16,13 +16,11 @@
>
> # development
>  geany
> @@ -88,6 +86,7 @@ wget
>  irssi
>  mutt
>  yum-utils
> +fpaste

Kevin, apologies for not understanding this 'diff' report.  Does this 
mean wget will be 'in' or 'out'?  wget on a live spin is very handy, 
and can sometimes help dig you out of a hole with another 
non-functioning OS, most especially because it will restart on a 
less-than-stellar internet link..

And, thanks, by the way, for trying hard to keep FF/java on the spin. 
  Really is much appreciated.

regards, Ron

[Dominic Hopf]

Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
> > with dropping the following:
>
> Good news.  Is there an image I could try?  I'd like to test the RC3 
> beta, but I can only do so from a CD.
> > gnumeric (do people really need a spreadsheet on a live media?)
>
> You're probably correct.  Oddly, Gnumeric is sometimes more 'xls' 
> compatible than OOo is, I've found.  But unless someone is 'checking' 
> whether fedora represents a possible path away from Windows, 
> particularly in a business environment where xls compatibility is 
> pretty crucial, I wouldn't think it matters too much.
>
> I guess I'm wondering that people use 'live spins' to 'see if 
> something looks promising'.  Committed/Believing users will already 
> know, and won't need a spreadsheet.
> > This takes us down to 695MB.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > --
> > diff --git a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> > index f9b5fa1..9cc9cb5 100644
> > --- a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> > +++ b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> > @@ -16,13 +16,11 @@
> >
> > # development
> >  geany
> > @@ -88,6 +86,7 @@ wget
> >  irssi
> >  mutt
> >  yum-utils
> > +fpaste
>
> Kevin, apologies for not understanding this 'diff' report.  Does this 
> mean wget will be 'in' or 'out'?  wget on a live spin is very handy, 
> and can sometimes help dig you out of a hole with another 
> non-functioning OS, most especially because it will restart on a 
> less-than-stellar internet link..

wget actually is not affected by this change. The diff just tells, the
changes were made nearly the line

@@ -88,6 +86,7 @@ wget

What actually changed is, that fpaste was added. :)

Hope this helps you understanding the diff a bit better. :)

Best Regards,
Dominic

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
> > with dropping the following:
>
> Good news.  Is there an image I could try?

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/xfce/
> Kevin, apologies for not understanding this 'diff' report.  Does this 
> mean wget will be 'in' or 'out'?

It will be in, no changes. Only lines with + or - are changed.

Regards,
Christoph

[Ron Leach]

Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
> > > with dropping the following:
> >
> > Good news.  Is there an image I could try?
>
> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/xfce/

Christoph, thanks.  The web page still shows it as 729M.  That's the 
same size I tried before, and the CD didn't write properly/completely.

Perhaps Kevin hasn't released it yet?

regards, Ron

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:31 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> > > Good news.  Is there an image I could try?
> >
> > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/xfce/
>
> Christoph, thanks.  The web page still shows it as 729M.  That's the 
> same size I tried before, and the CD didn't write properly/completely.
>
> Perhaps Kevin hasn't released it yet?

Yes, that's why he showed us the diff, he did not yet commit the
changes. You can always see the latest version at 
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git

Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:31:30 +0100
Ron Leach  wrote:
> Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 23:12 +0100 schrieb Ron Leach:
> > > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > > I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under
> > > > size with dropping the following:
> > >
> > > Good news.  Is there an image I could try?
> >
> > http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/xfce/
>
> Christoph, thanks.  The web page still shows it as 729M.  That's the 
> same size I tried before, and the CD didn't write properly/completely.
>
> Perhaps Kevin hasn't released it yet?

I have not yet commited the above change. ;)

I was waiting for some feedback from here.

It sounds like folks are ok with it, so I will go ahead and push the
change tonight and it should be in tomorrows compose.

kevin

[Dominic Hopf]

Am Mittwoch, den 29.09.2010, 13:18 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
> ok.
>
> I poked some more at the spin and managed to get it back to under size
> with dropping the following:
>
> gnumeric (do people really need a spreadsheet on a live media?)
> gimp (as pointed out, gimp is very cool, but it's not really something
> people trying out Xfce need to use/see). 
> some aspell dicts
>
> This takes us down to 695MB.
>
> Thoughts?
> kevin
>
> diff --git a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> index f9b5fa1..9cc9cb5 100644
> --- a/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> +++ b/fedora-livecd-xfce.ks
> @@ -16,13 +16,11 @@
>
> # Office
>  abiword
> -gnumeric
>
> # Graphics
>  evince
>  -evince-dvi
>  -evince-djvu
> -gimp
>
> # development
>  geany
> @@ -88,6 +86,7 @@ wget
>  irssi
>  mutt
>  yum-utils
> +fpaste
>
> # xfce packages
>  @xfce-desktop
> @@ -143,7 +142,7 @@ xfce4-xkb-plugin
>  xfwm4-themes
>
> # dictionaries are big
> -#-aspell-*
> +-aspell-*
>  #-man-pages-*
>
> # more fun with space saving
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Just to provide some feedback here (I know it is important): I'm fine
with the changes. Thanks for your efforts Kevin. :)

Regards,
Dominic