Some space pruning on Xfce spin

[Kevin Fenzi]

Greetings. 

I did a bit of pruning today on the Xfce spin, as it had gotten way way
over sized. 

+-adobe-source-han-* # save 94MB
+-rodent-icon-theme  # save 34MB
+-skkdic             # save 25MB
+-naver-nanum-gothic-fonts # save 14MB

I also remove liferea from the comps group (this pulled in webkitgtk3
and should save us a good bit of room)

I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small) and
gvfs-archive. 

I suspect we will still be over, but we can see tomorrow how much and
see what we might be able to further adjust. 

kevin

[Martin Sourada]

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:25:16 -0600 
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small)
> and 
Could you consider Atril instead of Evince? It feels better in Xfce
environment, as it's basically following Gnome2 HIG (it's part of Mate).

Generally I would suggest pulling Mate apps instead of Gnome apps where we
don't have Xfce native ones, at least until Xfce switches to gtk+3. Not sure
what the size differences would be, though, but Mate apps generally depend on
GTK2, while Gnome apps on GTK3.

Martin

[Mukundan Ragavan]

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On 08/23/2014 06:35 PM, Martin Sourada wrote:
>  On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:25:16 -0600 Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty
> > small) and
>  Could you consider Atril instead of Evince? It feels better in
>  Xfce environment, as it's basically following Gnome2 HIG (it's part
>  of Mate).
>   
+1.

I also think atril would be a good choice in xfce spin.


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[Kevin Fenzi]

After the changes yesterday, we are down to 789MB... 

So, we still have some pruning to do if we still want to fit in a 700MB
media. 

kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 01:35:40 +0200
Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:25:16 -0600 
>  Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  > I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small)
>  > and
>  Could you consider Atril instead of Evince? It feels better in Xfce
>  environment, as it's basically following Gnome2 HIG (it's part of
>  Mate). 
We could... it seems to actually pull more deps in though since it
depends on some of the mate packages. 

>  Generally I would suggest pulling Mate apps instead of Gnome apps
>  where we don't have Xfce native ones, at least until Xfce switches to
>  gtk+3. Not sure what the size differences would be, though, but Mate
>  apps generally depend on GTK2, while Gnome apps on GTK3. 
Sure, but we have to have gtk3 anyhow for things like nm-applet, etc. 

I guess I would still lean toward evince given the deps differences? 

kevin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Sonntag, den 24.08.2014, 01:35 +0200 schrieb Martin Sourada:
>  On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:25:16 -0600 
>  Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  > I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small) and
>  Could you consider Atril instead of Evince? It feels better in Xfce
>  environment, as it's basically following Gnome2 HIG (it's part of Mate).
>  
>  Generally I would suggest pulling Mate apps instead of Gnome apps where we
>  don't have Xfce native ones, at least until Xfce switches to gtk+3. Not sure
>  what the size differences would be, though, but Mate apps generally depend on
>  GTK2, while Gnome apps on GTK3. 
+1, for now we should stick to gtk2, that means MATE. However I'm afraid
we will pull in some other weird deps, but I am willing to work on this
with the MATE maintainers.

Best regards,
Christoph

[ToddAndMargo]

On 08/23/2014 10:25 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  Greetings.
>
>  I did a bit of pruning today on the Xfce spin, as it had gotten way way
>  over sized.
>
>  +-adobe-source-han-* # save 94MB
>  +-rodent-icon-theme  # save 34MB
>  +-skkdic             # save 25MB
>  +-naver-nanum-gothic-fonts # save 14MB
>
>  I also remove liferea from the comps group (this pulled in webkitgtk3
>  and should save us a good bit of room)
>
>  I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small) and
>  gvfs-archive.
>
>  I suspect we will still be over, but we can see tomorrow how much and
>  see what we might be able to further adjust.
>
>  kevin 
Hi Kevin,
I know I ask about this every time, but please include gparted
and dump/restore (required rmt).

And, I just had gnome-disk-utility (palimpsest) notifier in
the task bar of Scientific Linux 6.2 Live CD catch a bad
backup drive.  Would you consider adding that too?

Also, will we be having a LIVE DVD in our future.  I do not
know of anyone who still have a CD only drive.

Many thanks,
-T

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:32:08 -0700
ToddAndMargo <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; wrote:

>  
>  Hi Kevin,
>  I know I ask about this every time, but please include gparted
>  and dump/restore (required rmt). 
I am pretty sure the last time you asked I indicated that I had added
them. ;) 

And they are in fact still there. ;) 

>  And, I just had gnome-disk-utility (palimpsest) notifier in
>  the task bar of Scientific Linux 6.2 Live CD catch a bad
>  backup drive.  Would you consider adding that too? 
Well, we are pretty crunched for space right now... 
I can see how much this adds. Or someone else can do so. 

>  Also, will we be having a LIVE DVD in our future.  I do not
>  know of anyone who still have a CD only drive. 
Yeah, we may be forced to, but it's sure nice to have it small for
those folks who don't want too much.  

kevin

[Luke Van Dervort]

On 08/25/2014 07:16 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:32:08 -0700
>  ToddAndMargo <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Hi Kevin,
> > I know I ask about this every time, but please include gparted
> > and dump/restore (required rmt).
>  I am pretty sure the last time you asked I indicated that I had added
>  them. ;)
>
>  And they are in fact still there. ;)
>
> > And, I just had gnome-disk-utility (palimpsest) notifier in
> > the task bar of Scientific Linux 6.2 Live CD catch a bad
> > backup drive.  Would you consider adding that too?
>  Well, we are pretty crunched for space right now...
>  I can see how much this adds. Or someone else can do so.
>
> > Also, will we be having a LIVE DVD in our future.  I do not
> > know of anyone who still have a CD only drive.
>  Yeah, we may be forced to, but it's sure nice to have it small for
>  those folks who don't want too much.
>
>  kevin
>
>
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Hello, new here.

While you are on the topic, I noticed you have both Thunderbird and 
Clawsmail. I realize that Clawsmail is a bit lighter and does text only, 
but Thunderbird can do that also if you set it up that way. Sounds 
redundant.

Btw, great job. How can I help?

Luke Van Dervort

[Lux4home Info]

If I will get one more mail from somebody from your company you will have
huge problems.


2014-08-26 11:14 GMT+02:00 Luke Van Dervort <ezra(a)vandervort.org&gt;:

>   On 08/25/2014 07:16 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>  On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:32:08 -0700
>  ToddAndMargo <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; <ToddAndMargo(a)zoho.com&gt; wrote:
>
>
>   Hi Kevin,
>  I know I ask about this every time, but please include gparted
>  and dump/restore (required rmt).
>
>   I am pretty sure the last time you asked I indicated that I had added
>  them. ;)
>
>  And they are in fact still there. ;)
>
>
>   And, I just had gnome-disk-utility (palimpsest) notifier in
>  the task bar of Scientific Linux 6.2 Live CD catch a bad
>  backup drive.  Would you consider adding that too?
>
>   Well, we are pretty crunched for space right now...
>  I can see how much this adds. Or someone else can do so.
>
>
>   Also, will we be having a LIVE DVD in our future.  I do not
>  know of anyone who still have a CD only drive.
>
>   Yeah, we may be forced to, but it's sure nice to have it small for
>  those folks who don't want too much.
>
>  kevin
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  xfce mailing
> [e-mail]://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>
>   Hello, new here.
>
>  While you are on the topic, I noticed you have both Thunderbird and
>  Clawsmail. I realize that Clawsmail is a bit lighter and does text only,
>  but Thunderbird can do that also if you set it up that way. Sounds
>  redundant.
>
>  Btw, great job. How can I help?
>
>  Luke Van Dervort
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  xfce mailing list
>  xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
>

[Bob Holtzman]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:19:43AM +0200, Lux4home Info wrote:
>  If I will get one more mail from somebody from your company you will
> have
>  huge problems. 
You really are clueless as to what a mail list is, aren't you? You
subscribed to it, you can unsubscribe. Got that?

Just what huge problems are you referring to, blowhard?

        .......snip......

-- 
Bob Holtzman
Giant intergalactic brain-sucking hyperbacteria 
came to Earth to rape our women and create a race 
of mindless zombies.  Look!  It's working!

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 01:02:31 -0700
Bob Holtzman <holtzm(a)cox.net&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 11:19:43AM +0200, Lux4home Info wrote:
>  > If I will get one more mail from somebody from your company you
>  > will have huge problems.
>  
>  You really are clueless as to what a mail list is, aren't you? You
>  subscribed to it, you can unsubscribe. Got that?
>  
>  Just what huge problems are you referring to, blowhard?
>  
>          .......snip......
>   
Bob: Thats pretty uncalled for. Please try and be excellent to
everyone. 

kevin

[Martin Sourada]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 05:14:08 -0400 
Luke Van Dervort wrote:
>  While you are on the topic, I noticed you have both Thunderbird and
>  Clawsmail. I realize that Clawsmail is a bit lighter and does text only,
>  but Thunderbird can do that also if you set it up that way. Sounds
>  redundant.
>   
Claws can do HTML mail, I use it without issues, but I'm not sure if the
functionality is in the base package.

+1 for having only one mail client.

Martin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 05:14:08 -0400
Luke Van Dervort <ezra(a)vandervort.org&gt; wrote:

>  Hello, new here.
>  
>  While you are on the topic, I noticed you have both Thunderbird and 
>  Clawsmail. I realize that Clawsmail is a bit lighter and does text
>  only, but Thunderbird can do that also if you set it up that way.
>  Sounds redundant. 
Uh. I don't see thunderbird being added. Where are you seeing it?

We only have claws-mail on the live media. 

>  Btw, great job. How can I help? 
Well, boot the f21 Xfce nightly and look for things that we can remove
to save space? ;) 

kevin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 25.08.2014, 10:32 -0700 schrieb ToddAndMargo:

>  I know I ask about this every time, but please include gparted
>  and dump/restore (required rmt). 
+1 for gparted, given that we have space.

>  And, I just had gnome-disk-utility (palimpsest) notifier in
>  the task bar of Scientific Linux 6.2 Live CD catch a bad
>  backup drive.  Would you consider adding that too? 
I think we should only have one, EITHER gparted OR palimpsest. I vote
for gparted.

Best regards,
Christoph

[ToddAndMargo]

On 08/26/2014 01:19 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  I think we should only have one, EITHER gparted OR palimpsest. I
> vote
>  for gparted. 
The reason for palimpsest, when installed in the task bar, is that
it get in your face if you have a bad hard drive.

And gparted is essential for repairs and maintenance, so I
hope there is room for both.

[Beartooth]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:32:08 -0700, ToddAndMargo wrote:
	[....]
>  Also, will we be having a LIVE DVD in our future.  I do not know of
>  anyone who still have a CD only drive. 
	That's my cue. I have one, and had been getting a lot of use from 
the desktop it's in, displaying weather maps, etc., until lately. 

	Then I tried to take it from CentOS 6.5 to 7; messed up; and am 
having the devil's own time trying to get anything post-diluvian to 
install on it. Maybe I should go clear back to RH 7 ....

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, Not Quite Clueless Power User
Remember I know little (precious little!) of where up is.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Samstag, den 23.08.2014, 11:25 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi:
>  Greetings. 
>  
>  I did a bit of pruning today on the Xfce spin, as it had gotten way way
>  over sized. 
>  
>  +-adobe-source-han-* # save 94MB
>  +-rodent-icon-theme  # save 34MB
>  +-skkdic             # save 25MB
>  +-naver-nanum-gothic-fonts # save 14MB 
+1

>  I also remove liferea from the comps group (this pulled in
> webkitgtk3
>  and should save us a good bit of room) 
+1, we should not have one version installed.

btw: Are we still installing gstreamer 0.10 and 1.0? 

>  I also added evince (we had no pdf reader and it was pretty small)
> and
>  gvfs-archive.  
+1

>  I suspect we will still be over, but we can see tomorrow how much
> and
>  see what we might be able to further adjust.  
Thanks for taking care of this!

Best regards,
Christoph