retiring leafpad - thoughts?

[Mukundan Ragavan]

Hello folks,

I think it is time we retire leafpad from Fedora. Leafpad has not had a
new release for ten years now [1]. I have already replaced leafpad with
mousepad in the Xfce spin of Fedora [2]. Now that leafpad does not build
on rawhide anyway (it's probably a easy fix; still ... ), I figured now
might be a good time to talk about this.

Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?

Mukundan.

[1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
[2]
https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da99cd2c9f14?br...

[Viorel Tabara]

On Sat Mar 17 2018 08:15:24 GMT-0700 (PDT) Mukundan Ragavan  wrote:
> I have already replaced leafpad with mousepad in the Xfce spin of 
> Fedora [2].  Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?
>
> [1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
> [2] https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da99cd2c9f14?br...

I'm a Vim user, but thank you all for your work and keeping the Xfce 
spin alive.

Cheers,
Viorel

[Bruce Hohl]

"... thank you all for your work and keeping the Xfce spin alive."
+1  Xfce is my favorite DE.  Polished and does not distract or annoy!

Regarding Leafpad I think mousepad sufficiently fulfils the role of a light
weight gui text editor.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Viorel Tabara 
wrote:
> On Sat Mar 17 2018 08:15:24 GMT-0700 (PDT) Mukundan Ragavan <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
> > I have already replaced leafpad with mousepad in the Xfce spin of
> > Fedora [2].  Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?
> >
> > [1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
> > [2] https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da
>
> 99cd2c9f14?branch=master
>
> I'm a Vim user, but thank you all for your work and keeping the Xfce
> spin alive.
>
> Cheers,
> Viorel
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On 03/17/2018 08:15 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I think it is time we retire leafpad from Fedora. Leafpad has not had a
> new release for ten years now [1]. I have already replaced leafpad with
> mousepad in the Xfce spin of Fedora [2]. Now that leafpad does not build
> on rawhide anyway (it's probably a easy fix; still ... ), I figured now
> might be a good time to talk about this.
>
> Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?
>
> Mukundan.
>
> [1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
> [2]
> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da99cd2c9f14?br...

I thought we already did retire it, but I guess not. ;)

I'm fine with retiring it.

kevin

[Aleksandar Kostadinov]

I'm using leafpad for simple text file editing. I have just installed 
Mousepad 0.4.0 to try it out on Fedora 27.

It seems to be lightweight, which is nice. But when I try to open a 
file, the "Engoding" dropdown menu is not usable. Clicking on it yields 
nothing. I often need to open legacy encoding files as well safe as 
legacy encoding (thank you windows for sticking to non-utf).

Another minor issue I see with mousepad is its uglier icon but I can 
live with it as long as the other functionality is fine.

Perhaps leafpad has not been updated because it does what it needs to 
do? I see a somehow newer fork for it at (still very old with very 
little modifications):
https://github.com/oluc/leafpad

Mukundan Ragavan wrote on 03/17/18 17:15:
> Hello folks,
>
> I think it is time we retire leafpad from Fedora. Leafpad has not had a
> new release for ten years now [1]. I have already replaced leafpad with
> mousepad in the Xfce spin of Fedora [2]. Now that leafpad does not build
> on rawhide anyway (it's probably a easy fix; still ... ), I figured now
> might be a good time to talk about this.
>
> Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?
>
> Mukundan.
>
> [1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
> [2]
> https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da99cd2c9f14?br...
>
> xfce mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Aleksandar Kostadinov]

Actually I don't even see an option to save file in a selected encoding 
in mousepad.

Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote on 03/19/18 10:33:
> I'm using leafpad for simple text file editing. I have just installed 
> Mousepad 0.4.0 to try it out on Fedora 27.
>
> It seems to be lightweight, which is nice. But when I try to open a 
> file, the "Engoding" dropdown menu is not usable. Clicking on it yields 
> nothing. I often need to open legacy encoding files as well safe as 
> legacy encoding (thank you windows for sticking to non-utf).
>
> Another minor issue I see with mousepad is its uglier icon but I can 
> live with it as long as the other functionality is fine.
>
> Perhaps leafpad has not been updated because it does what it needs to 
> do? I see a somehow newer fork for it at (still very old with very 
> little modifications):
> https://github.com/oluc/leafpad
>
> Mukundan Ragavan wrote on 03/17/18 17:15:
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > I think it is time we retire leafpad from Fedora. Leafpad has not had a
> > new release for ten years now [1]. I have already replaced leafpad with
> > mousepad in the Xfce spin of Fedora [2]. Now that leafpad does not build
> > on rawhide anyway (it's probably a easy fix; still ... ), I figured now
> > might be a good time to talk about this.
> >
> > Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?
> >
> > Mukundan.
> >
> > [1] http://tarot.freeshell.org/leafpad/
> > [2]
> > https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/c/2f3d7c49f02fcbd5d08787f9d004da99cd2c9f14?br...
> >
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> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
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[Todd Chester]

On 03/19/2018 01:38 AM, Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote:
> Actually I don't even see an option to save file in a selected encoding 
> in mousepad.

I would be really hurting without the CR-LF format save

[Todd Chester]

On 03/19/2018 01:33 AM, Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote:
> Perhaps leafpad has not been updated because it does what it needs to do?

That is my assessment as well

[Todd Chester]

On 03/17/2018 08:15 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I think it is time we retire leafpad from Fedora. Leafpad has not had a
> new release for ten years now [1]. I have already replaced leafpad with
> mousepad in the Xfce spin of Fedora [2]. Now that leafpad does not build
> on rawhide anyway (it's probably a easy fix; still ... ), I figured now
> might be a good time to talk about this.
>
> Anyone still want to keep leafpad around?

Yes!  Please keep it around!  I use it multiple times a day.
It is extremely easy to use and allows for saving in CR-LF
format.   I would be in a real pickle without it!

[Mukundan Ragavan]

Thanks for the replies. I appreciate it.

I am leaning towards retiring it for two reasons -

(1) there are build problems.
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=24810848

(2) We are going to run into bugs such as this - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1563608

The build problem may be fixable in the short term but given that there is no upstream we have nowhere to turn to in case of bigger problems (like (2)).

Are there any suggestions for alternatives that are better than mousepad? We can look into including that in the Xfce spin along with or preferably, instead of mousepad?

[Todd Chester]

On 04/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
  instead of mousepad?

mousepad is a Wine program

[Jim Dean]

On 12 April 2018 at 13:40, Todd Chester  wrote:
> On 04/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>  instead of mousepad?
>
> mousepad is a Wine program
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Mouse pad is from the Xfce project, https://github.com/codebrainz/mousepad

[Todd Chester]

On 04/11/2018 08:46 PM, Jim Dean wrote:
> On 12 April 2018 at 13:40, Todd Chester <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> On 04/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
>   instead of mousepad?
>
> mousepad is a Wine program
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>
> Mouse pad is from the Xfce project, https://github.com/codebrainz/mousepad

Oh ya, you are right.  I got it mixed up with notepad

[Todd Chester]

On 04/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> alternatives that are better than mousepad?

mousepad does not have a cr-lf save option, making it
next to unusable for me.

gedit will do such, but it is kind of "weird".

leafpad is perfect for what I need and use it
ALL-THE-TIME.

[ToddAndMargo]

On 04/12/2018 02:29 AM, Todd Chester wrote:
> On 04/08/2018 06:57 AM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> > alternatives that are better than mousepad?
>
> mousepad does not have a cr-lf save option, making it
> next to unusable for me.
>
> gedit will do such, but it is kind of "weird".
>
> leafpad is perfect for what I need and use it
> ALL-THE-TIME.

Or maybe upgrade mousepad to write in cr-lf if requested
and to read utf-8?