Xfce 4.8 for F14 now ready

[Christoph Wickert]

I have updated my Xfce 4.8 repository at
http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/xfce-4.8
and it is fairly complete. Some packages however are now obsolete:

      * thunar-shares-plugin: dead upstream, would needed to be ported
        from thunar-vfs to gvfs.
      * xfce4-remmina-plugin: remmina now has a generic trayicon,
        however the new version is only available in F15 or my remmina
        repo at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/remmina
      * xfce4-stopwatch-plugin: dead upstream, uses old panel API.
      * xfce4-volstatus-icon: dead upstream, uses HAL. I might revive it
        nevertheless.
      * xfce4-xfapplet-plugin: dead upstream, uses old gnome-panel API
        and handles only old bonobo-based applets but not new dbus based
        ones. With gnome-shell there is not much future for panel
        applets anyway.

If you can live without these plugins, you are invited to upgrade your
F14 installation to Xfce 4.8. Please note that you will have to remove
the plugins before you upgrade because Thunar and xfce4-panel do not yet
obsolete them. We will do this for F15 Beta and then do more upgrade
tests in order to provide a smooth upgrade.

Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 04:31:51 +0100
Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:

>  I have updated my Xfce 4.8 repository at
>  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/xfce-4.8
>  and it is fairly complete. Some packages however are now obsolete:
>  
>        * thunar-shares-plugin: dead upstream, would needed to be ported
>          from thunar-vfs to gvfs.
>        * xfce4-remmina-plugin: remmina now has a generic trayicon,
>          however the new version is only available in F15 or my remmina
>          repo at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/remmina
>        * xfce4-stopwatch-plugin: dead upstream, uses old panel API.
>        * xfce4-volstatus-icon: dead upstream, uses HAL. I might revive
>  it nevertheless.
>        * xfce4-xfapplet-plugin: dead upstream, uses old gnome-panel API
>          and handles only old bonobo-based applets but not new dbus
>  based ones. With gnome-shell there is not much future for panel
>          applets anyway.
>  
>  If you can live without these plugins, you are invited to upgrade your
>  F14 installation to Xfce 4.8. Please note that you will have to remove
>  the plugins before you upgrade because Thunar and xfce4-panel do not
>  yet obsolete them. We will do this for F15 Beta and then do more
>  upgrade tests in order to provide a smooth upgrade. 
Thanks for all the work on this Christoph! ;) 

kevin

[Adam Miller]

On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 03:46:17PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 04:31:51 +0100
>  Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > I have updated my Xfce 4.8 repository at
>  > http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/xfce-4.8
>  > and it is fairly complete. Some packages however are now obsolete:
>  > 
>  >       * thunar-shares-plugin: dead upstream, would needed to be ported
>  >         from thunar-vfs to gvfs.
>  >       * xfce4-remmina-plugin: remmina now has a generic trayicon,
>  >         however the new version is only available in F15 or my remmina
>  >         repo at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/remmina
>  >       * xfce4-stopwatch-plugin: dead upstream, uses old panel API.
>  >       * xfce4-volstatus-icon: dead upstream, uses HAL. I might revive
>  > it nevertheless.
>  >       * xfce4-xfapplet-plugin: dead upstream, uses old gnome-panel API
>  >         and handles only old bonobo-based applets but not new dbus
>  > based ones. With gnome-shell there is not much future for panel
>  >         applets anyway.
>  > 
>  > If you can live without these plugins, you are invited to upgrade your
>  > F14 installation to Xfce 4.8. Please note that you will have to remove
>  > the plugins before you upgrade because Thunar and xfce4-panel do not
>  > yet obsolete them. We will do this for F15 Beta and then do more
>  > upgrade tests in order to provide a smooth upgrade.
>  
>  Thanks for all the work on this Christoph! ;) 
>  
>  kevin 
I'm with Kevin, thanks so much!!!! :D
-AdamM

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Christoph,

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I have updated my Xfce 4.8 repository at
>  http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/xfce-4.8
>  and it is fairly complete. Some packages however are now obsolete:
>  
Few issues,

1. I got dependency problems with the user switching plugin.

--> Processing Dependency: libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit) for package:
xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0.0.1-1.fc12.x86_64
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Package: xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0.0.1-1.fc12.x86_64 (@fedora/$releasever)
           Requires: libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
           Removing: xfce4-panel-4.6.4-1.fc14.x86_64 (@fedora/$releasever)
               libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
           Updated By: xfce4-panel-4.8.2-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
               Not found

2. The Action button with both buttons activated show up with both
   buttons aligned vertically even though my panel is horizontal. For
   now I have worked around it by having two action buttons side by
   side.

3. Some of the tray icons seem very crude. My top panel (36 pixels wide)
   used to display very smooth and nice looking icons for the
   xfce4-power-manager and gnome-volume-control-applet. But they are now
   replaced with these "cruder" icons.

4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
   fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
   The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
   going completely fullscreen.


Should I be reporting these as bug reports somewhere? Or are these
present because its still a work-in-progress?

Thanks a lot for your hard work. :)

PS: I'm on a ThinkPad with 2.6.35.11-83.fc14.x86_64

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
>    fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
>    The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
>    going completely fullscreen.
>  
Just noticed, dragging the floating panel away from the screen edge
fixes this. But I guess its still a bug, a floating panel shouldn't
change behaviour depending on where it is placed. Am I correct in
saying so?

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Suvayu Ali]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:27 PM, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:25 PM, suvayu ali
> <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > 4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
> >   fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
> >   The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
> >   going completely fullscreen.
> >
>
>  Just noticed, dragging the floating panel away from the screen edge
>  fixes this. But I guess its still a bug, a floating panel shouldn't
>  change behaviour depending on where it is placed. Am I correct in
>  saying so?
>  
Noticed another one:

5. While logging in, GDM doesn't give me an option to switch desktop
   environments anymore. Other than XFCE, I have WindowMaker on my
   system.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 15:25 -0800 schrieb suvayu ali:

>  1. I got dependency problems with the user switching plugin.
>  
>  --> Processing Dependency: libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit) for package:
>  xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0.0.1-1.fc12.x86_64
>  --> Finished Dependency Resolution
>  Error: Package: xfce4-xfswitch-plugin-0.0.1-1.fc12.x86_64 (@fedora/$releasever)
>             Requires: libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
>             Removing: xfce4-panel-4.6.4-1.fc14.x86_64 (@fedora/$releasever)
>                 libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
>             Updated By: xfce4-panel-4.8.2-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
>                 Not found 
Thanks for the pointer, an updated xfswitch plugin is indeed missing
from the repo. I'll fix it.

>  2. The Action button with both buttons activated show up with both
>     buttons aligned vertically even though my panel is horizontal. For
>     now I have worked around it by having two action buttons side by
>     side. 
I complained about this already, but upstream thinks it's a feature:
http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7074

>  3. Some of the tray icons seem very crude. My top panel (36 pixels
> wide)
>     used to display very smooth and nice looking icons for the
>     xfce4-power-manager and gnome-volume-control-applet. But they are now
>     replaced with these "cruder" icons. 
Can you give us a screenshot?

>  4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
>     fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
>     The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
>     going completely fullscreen. 
I think this is intended, but you can file bug in Xfce bugzilla.

Regards,
Christoph

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 15:54 -0800 schrieb suvayu ali:

>  5. While logging in, GDM doesn't give me an option to switch
> desktop
>     environments anymore. Other than XFCE, I have WindowMaker on my
>     system. 
What version of GDM? Is there a desktop file for WindowMaker
in /usr/share/xsessions?

Regards

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi Christoph,

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 15:54 -0800 schrieb suvayu ali:
>
> > 5. While logging in, GDM doesn't give me an option to switch desktop
> >    environments anymore. Other than XFCE, I have WindowMaker on my
> >    system.
>
>  What version of GDM? Is there a desktop file for WindowMaker
>  in /usr/share/xsessions?
>  
Sorry, I was mistaken. I had forgotten that I didn't have WindowMaker
installed on my new laptop. :-p

The behaviour has changed for sure, but not a bug. It only displays
the desktop environment choice once I installed WindowMaker. So all is
well. :)

Thanks,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Am Donnerstag, den 10.03.2011, 15:25 -0800 schrieb suvayu ali:
>
>  Thanks for the pointer, an updated xfswitch plugin is indeed missing
>  from the repo. I'll fix it.
>  
You are welcome. :)

>  I complained about this already, but upstream thinks it's a
> feature:
>  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7074
>  
Okay, I'll go through that bug report. Since it can be worked around
easily, not a big deal.

> > 3. Some of the tray icons seem very crude. My top panel (36
> pixels wide)
> >    used to display very smooth and nice looking icons for the
> >    xfce4-power-manager and gnome-volume-control-applet. But they are now
> >    replaced with these "cruder" icons.
>
>  Can you give us a screenshot?
>  
I have attached a screenshot of the "cruder" icons. Look at the
gnome-volume-control-applet and the xfce4-power-manager icons in the
tray. Earlier these used to be much bigger with smoother features. I
used to get these icons only when the panel size was very small (~ 25
pixels).

> > 4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock)
> and a
> >    fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
> >    The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
> >    going completely fullscreen.
>
>  I think this is intended, but you can file bug in Xfce bugzilla.
>  
Okay, I 'll try to file a bug upstream.

>  Regards,
>  Christoph
>  
Thanks a lot. :)

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Suvayu Ali]

Hi,

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:12 PM, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> 3. Some of the tray icons seem very crude. My top panel (36
> pixels wide)
> >>    used to display very smooth and nice looking icons for the
> >>    xfce4-power-manager and gnome-volume-control-applet. But they are now
> >>    replaced with these "cruder" icons.
> >
> > Can you give us a screenshot?
> >
>
>  I have attached a screenshot of the "cruder" icons. Look at the
>  gnome-volume-control-applet and the xfce4-power-manager icons in the
>  tray. Earlier these used to be much bigger with smoother features. I
>  used to get these icons only when the panel size was very small (~ 25
>  pixels).
>  
I found an old screenshot of the desktop with the old XFCE panel. I
have attached it for comparison.

Hope this helps.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Lars G]

Thank you!

Trying to update i get

...
Fehler: Package: Thunar-1.0.2-3.fc14.x86_64 (@updates)
            Requires: libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
            Entfernen: xfce4-panel-4.6.4-1.fc14.x86_64 (@fedora)
                libxfce4panel.so.1()(64bit)
            Updated By: xfce4-panel-4.8.2-3.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
                Not found
Fehler: Package: Thunar-1.0.2-3.fc14.x86_64 (@updates)
            Requires: libexo-0.3.so.0()(64bit)
            Entfernen: exo-0.3.107-3.fc14.x86_64 (@fedora)
                libexo-0.3.so.0()(64bit)
            Updated By: exo-0.6.0-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
                Not found
Fehler: Package: thunar-media-tags-plugin-0.1.2-8.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
            Requires: libthunarx-2.so.0()(64bit)
Fehler: Package: thunar-volman-0.6.0-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
            Requires: Thunar >= 1.2
            Installiert: Thunar-1.0.2-3.fc14.x86_64 (@updates)
                Thunar = 1.0.2-3.fc14
            Available: Thunar-1.0.2-2.fc14.i686 (fedora)
                Thunar = 1.0.2-2.fc14
Fehler: Package: xfdesktop-4.8.1-3.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
            Requires: libthunarx-2.so.0()(64bit)
Fehler: Package: Thunar-1.0.2-3.fc14.x86_64 (@updates)
            Requires: libexo-hal-0.3.so.0()(64bit)
            Entfernen: exo-0.3.107-3.fc14.x86_64 (@fedora)
                libexo-hal-0.3.so.0()(64bit)
            Updated By: exo-0.6.0-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8)
                Not found

Looks like an updated Thunar is missing from the repo.


cheers Lars

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 29.03.2011, 01:10 +0000 schrieb Lars G:
>  Thank you! 
Welcome!

>  Looks like an updated Thunar is missing from the repo. 
Somehow my sync script deleted the old version but didn't upload the
latest updated. Fixed now, thanks for the heads-up!

Regards,
Christoph

[Lars G]

Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert@...> writes:
>  Somehow my sync script deleted the old version but didn't upload
> the
>  latest updated. Fixed now, thanks for the heads-up! 
Works fine now, thanks again!

cheers lars

[Nick Schermer]

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, suvayu ali
<fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >> 4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and
> clock) and a
> >>    fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
> >>    The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
> >>    going completely fullscreen.
> >
> > I think this is intended, but you can file bug in Xfce bugzilla.
> >
>
>  Okay, I 'll try to file a bug upstream. 
Floating panel are not attached to a screen border, if you want a
panel on a screen border without keeping the area free (ie blocking
fullscreen) you can disable struts per-panel:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7202

In 4.10 this will be an option in the interface, since here is a high
demand for this.

Nick

[Suvayu Ali]

Hello Nick,

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Nick Schermer <nickschermer(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, suvayu ali
>  <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>> 4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
> >>>    fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
> >>>    The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
> >>>    going completely fullscreen.
> >>
> >> I think this is intended, but you can file bug in Xfce bugzilla.
> >>
> >
> > Okay, I 'll try to file a bug upstream.
>
>  Floating panel are not attached to a screen border, if you want a
>  panel on a screen border without keeping the area free (ie blocking
>  fullscreen) you can disable struts per-panel:
>  https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7202
>
>  In 4.10 this will be an option in the interface, since here is a high
>  demand for this.
>  
Sorry, I have been busy writing my thesis. Couldn't find the time to
look into more detail. I tried the solution you mentioned on the
bugzilla, but it doesn't seem to affect my panels. I executed the
command from the terminal and logged out and logged back in. But I
still get the same behaviour. Any ideas?

>  Nick 
Thanks,

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

[Nick Schermer]

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:52 PM, suvayu ali
<fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hello Nick,
>
>  On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Nick Schermer <nickschermer(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, suvayu ali
> > <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> >>>> 4. I used to have one floating panel (with the tray and clock) and a
> >>>>    fixed panel. Now it seems there is no way to have a floating panel.
> >>>>    The previously floating panel seem to be blocking the windows from
> >>>>    going completely fullscreen.
> >>>
> >>> I think this is intended, but you can file bug in Xfce bugzilla.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Okay, I 'll try to file a bug upstream.
> >
> > Floating panel are not attached to a screen border, if you want a
> > panel on a screen border without keeping the area free (ie blocking
> > fullscreen) you can disable struts per-panel:
> > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7202
> >
> > In 4.10 this will be an option in the interface, since here is a high
> > demand for this.
> >
>
>  Sorry, I have been busy writing my thesis. Couldn't find the time to
>  look into more detail. I tried the solution you mentioned on the
>  bugzilla, but it doesn't seem to affect my panels. I executed the
>  command from the terminal and logged out and logged back in. But I
>  still get the same behaviour. Any ideas? 
You don't need to logout and panel-0 needs to have the correct panel
number (use number of preferences dialog - 1).

Nick

[Suvayu Ali]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Nick Schermer <nickschermer(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  You don't need to logout and panel-0 needs to have the correct panel
>  number (use number of preferences dialog - 1). 
I should have realised this myself. :-p I guess I was too impatient.
Thanks a lot. Works perfectly. :)

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.