On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:29:19 +0000
Nadim Kobeissi <nadim(a)nadim.computer> wrote:
I am a big fan of the Xfce spin, so much so that I use it as my
regular desktop and even think it could be a contender for replacing
GNOME as the default Fedora desktop (one can dream :-))
Cool. I don't think thats ever likely to happen. ;)
I have some
experience in software usability and I would like to suggest some
small changes that I think will make the Fedora 24 Xfce spin work
better out of the box.
As presentation aid, please find these two screenshots:
Current Xfce spin default desktop:
Suggested Xfce spin default desktop: http://i.imgur.com/XUllDME.jpg
Explanations for the differences:
1) Removing the "dock" at the bottom: The dock takes up enough screen
space to interfere with the Anaconda installer during the Fedora
installation process from LiveUSB. This isn't obvious in the
screenshot from the website due to the high screen resolution, but
has been my experience every time I install Fedora on a netbook or a
laptop with a smaller resolution. It also panders more to people
already familiar with OS X, which is actually, statistically, a group
far less likely to be the one migrating to Fedora.
2) Replace the two bars with a unified bar at the bottom: The main
reason people still choose Xfce over GNOME is that it sticks to the
traditional desktop metaphor. As such, we should be playing to its
strengths. My suggestion illustrates a classic desktop style bottom
taskbar, notification area, launchers for common applications (these
can be changed, the screenshot shows my personal settings for the
launchers), etc. By adopting this style, we are maximizing the
efficiency in which screen space is used (helping solve problems
illustrated in (1)) while at the same time making the desktop more
familiar to newcomers and utilizing more of Xfce's strengths. If you
like, we can also add a Workspaces panel item to the left of the
So we have had these sorts of discussions in the past.
In the past we have just left things as the upstream Xfce default
because everyone has their own opinions of whats best for them and it's
very easy to customize things from a simple starting point.
I do agree that the bottom dock interfering with the installer is
something of concern though. Do you know at what resolution that
3) Replace the Xfce Applications Menu icon with the Fedora logo:
Self-explanatory, aids with better branding integration, makes the OS
more cohesive, looks good.
We had this at one point, but we dropped it because it's not friendly
to remixers and we don't want to ship a fedora logo in the Xfce
If someone can come up with a way to use the Fedora logo if
fedora-logos package is installed and a generic logo if generic-logos
is installed that would be great.
4) Re-include blueman in the default installation: Right now, Fedora
Xfce Desktop doesn't have any sort of Bluetooth management
functionality out of the box. This is an oversight that can easily be
fixed by shipping with either blueman or xfce-bluetooth packaged by
default in Fedora 24.
Already done a few weeks ago.
I strongly think these changes will make Fedora Xfce Desktop 24 much
better. How can we get them to be included? What's the procedure?
Gain consensus on the list and/or convince people with commits to
commit your changes. ;)