F16 Xfce LiveCD

[Ken Dreyer]

I'm interested in testing the F16 Xfce LiveCD, particularly since
F16's nearing Alpha, but the most recent compose failed:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3245469

DEBUG util.py:247:  Error creating Live CD : Failed to build
transaction : 1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686 requires
liblink-grammar.so.4
DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-libs-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires libcogl.so.1
DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires libcogl.so.1
DEBUG util.py:247:  gnome-python2-bonobo-2.28.1-4.fc15.i686 requires
pyorbit >= 2.0.1
DEBUG util.py:247:  clutter-gtk-1.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires libcogl.so.1
DEBUG util.py:247:  1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686 requires
link-grammar >= 4.2.2

I'm guessing the cheese / clutter-gtk should be fixed by
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-9991 ?

gnome-python2-bonobo depends on pyorbit which was retired last week (FTBFS).

libabiword depends on link-grammar which was also retired last week (FTBFS).

- Ken

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:23:36 -0600
Ken Dreyer <ktdreyer(a)ktdreyer.com&gt; wrote:

>  I'm interested in testing the F16 Xfce LiveCD, particularly
> since
>  F16's nearing Alpha, but the most recent compose failed:
>  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3245469
>  
>  DEBUG util.py:247:  Error creating Live CD : Failed to build
>  transaction : 1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686 requires
>  liblink-grammar.so.4
>  DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-libs-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:
>  gnome-python2-bonobo-2.28.1-4.fc15.i686 requires pyorbit >= 2.0.1
>  DEBUG util.py:247:  clutter-gtk-1.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:  1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686
>  requires link-grammar >= 4.2.2
>  
>  I'm guessing the cheese / clutter-gtk should be fixed by
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-9991 ? 
yeah. 

>  
>  gnome-python2-bonobo depends on pyorbit which was retired last week
>  (FTBFS). 
Yep. Not sure whats pulling it in... gdm? 

>  libabiword depends on link-grammar which was also retired last week
>  (FTBFS). 
I just posted about this to the devel list. 

So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 

- Switch to lxdm. 

- See if we have space to drop abiword and provide libreoffice. I
  personally like abiword, but I don't think it will be sorted by alpha
  and it's unclear how much others like it. 

- Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo

- Add Martins default config idea from so long ago as default. 
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-June/000533.html

If no one complains in a day or two, I will do these things. 

kevin

[Adam Miller]

On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:35:29AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:23:36 -0600
>  Ken Dreyer <ktdreyer(a)ktdreyer.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > I'm interested in testing the F16 Xfce LiveCD, particularly since
>  > F16's nearing Alpha, but the most recent compose failed:
>  > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3245469
>  > 
>  > DEBUG util.py:247:  Error creating Live CD : Failed to build
>  > transaction : 1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686 requires
>  > liblink-grammar.so.4
>  > DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-libs-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  > libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:  1:cheese-3.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  > libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:
>  > gnome-python2-bonobo-2.28.1-4.fc15.i686 requires pyorbit >= 2.0.1
>  > DEBUG util.py:247:  clutter-gtk-1.0.2-1.fc16.i686 requires
>  > libcogl.so.1 DEBUG util.py:247:  1:libabiword-2.8.6-6.fc15.i686
>  > requires link-grammar >= 4.2.2
>  > 
>  > I'm guessing the cheese / clutter-gtk should be fixed by
>  > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2011-9991 ?
>  
>  yeah. 
>  
>  > 
>  > gnome-python2-bonobo depends on pyorbit which was retired last week
>  > (FTBFS).
>  
>  Yep. Not sure whats pulling it in... gdm? 
>  
>  > libabiword depends on link-grammar which was also retired last week
>  > (FTBFS).
>  
>  I just posted about this to the devel list. 
>  
>  So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  
>  - Switch to lxdm. 
>  
+1

>  - See if we have space to drop abiword and provide libreoffice. I
>    personally like abiword, but I don't think it will be sorted by alpha
>    and it's unclear how much others like it.  
+1

>  - Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo 
+1

>  - Add Martins default config idea from so long ago as default. 
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-June/000533.html
>   
+1

>  If no one complains in a day or two, I will do these things. 
>  
>  kevin
>   
please spam the list when testing of these changes (hopefully when a
compose is successful) is needed, myself as I'm sure others would be
happy to jump in... also if there's any of the listed bits that could be
helped with I'd be happy to. :)

-AdamM

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:42:58 PM Adam Miller wrote:
>  On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 11:35:29AM -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:23:36 -0600 
>  > yeah.
>  > 
>  > > gnome-python2-bonobo depends on pyorbit which was retired last week
>  > > (FTBFS). 
>  
>  +1
>  
>  > - Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo
>  
>  +1 
pyorbit has been added back. this broke dvd compose also.

Dennis

[Adam Williamson]

On Tue, 2011-08-02 at 11:35 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

>  > gnome-python2-bonobo depends on pyorbit which was retired last
> week
>  > (FTBFS).
>  
>  Yep. Not sure whats pulling it in... gdm?  
This was interfering with TC1 compose:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726743

[root@adam cls_11]# repoquery --whatrequires gnome-python2-bonobo
gnome-python2-bonobo-0:2.28.1-4.fc15.x86_64
at-spi-python-0:1.32.0-5.fc16.x86_64
deskbar-applet-0:2.32.0-4.fc15.x86_64
gajim-0:0.14.3-1.fc16.noarch
gjots2-0:2.3.15-1.fc16.noarch
gnome-python2-libegg-0:2.25.3-31.fc16.x86_64
ldtp-0:2.0.6-4.fc15.x86_64
rhn-setup-gnome-0:1.4.16-1.fc16.noarch
soundconverter-0:1.5.4-7.fc16.noarch
system-config-lvm-0:1.1.16-4.fc16.noarch
system-config-network-0:1.6.3-1.fc16.noarch
terminator-0:0.95-3.fc15.noarch

is the list of direct deps on gnome-python2-bonobo, AFAICT none of those
is in the Xfce spin, so it must be something more indirect. I don't
think it's gdm, or else the desktop spin and DVD wouldn't compose
either.
-- 
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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 02.08.2011, 11:35 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  
>  - Switch to lxdm.  
I'm fine with switching to lxdm temporarily, but we first should figure
out if is really gdm.

>  - See if we have space to drop abiword and provide libreoffice. I
>    personally like abiword, but I don't think it will be sorted by alpha
>    and it's unclear how much others like it.  
I suggested this in the F15 cycle and the feedback was negative. People
wanted to stick with abiword, see
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-January/000343.html

I am not saying we should not switch to LibreOffice (in fact I'd support
the idea) but I think we should not have the same discussions again and
again and I am skeptic if we have enough space.

>  - Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo 
I thought this was the reason for switching to gdm or are we dealing
with two problems here?

>  - Add Martins default config idea from so long ago as default. 
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-June/000533.html 
-1. While the default layout can be improved I dislike the layout martin
proposed and have lined out the problems with it in the old thread.

Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:03:04 +0200
Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Am Dienstag, den 02.08.2011, 11:35 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  > 
>  > - Switch to lxdm. 
>  
>  I'm fine with switching to lxdm temporarily, but we first should
>  figure out if is really gdm. 
I was suggesting switching to lxdm because gdm doesn't get us much
anymore. It used to be it had things like ability to select language
and such, but all thats gone. Is there any benifit left to gdm over
lxdm?

>  > - See if we have space to drop abiword and provide libreoffice.
> I
>  >   personally like abiword, but I don't think it will be sorted by
>  > alpha and it's unclear how much others like it. 
>  
>  I suggested this in the F15 cycle and the feedback was negative.
>  People wanted to stick with abiword, see
>  http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-January/000343.html
>  
>  I am not saying we should not switch to LibreOffice (in fact I'd
>  support the idea) but I think we should not have the same discussions
>  again and again and I am skeptic if we have enough space. 
Yeah, I was going to check, but it seems that abiword might get sorted
out soon. ;) 

>  > - Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo
>  
>  I thought this was the reason for switching to gdm or are we dealing
>  with two problems here? 
This was seperate, and hopefully is fixed now. 

>  > - Add Martins default config idea from so long ago as default. 
>  > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-June/000533.html
>  
>  -1. While the default layout can be improved I dislike the layout
>  martin proposed and have lined out the problems with it in the old
>  thread. 
ok. Perhaps we could get a alternate proposal or ask Martin to revamp
his? Or should we stick with default?

kevin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 03.08.2011, 09:07 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:03:04 +0200
>  Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > Am Dienstag, den 02.08.2011, 11:35 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > > So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  > > 
>  > > - Switch to lxdm. 
>  > 
>  > I'm fine with switching to lxdm temporarily, but we first should
>  > figure out if is really gdm.
>  
>  I was suggesting switching to lxdm because gdm doesn't get us much
>  anymore. It used to be it had things like ability to select language
>  and such, but all thats gone. Is there any benifit left to gdm over
>  lxdm? 
It can cope with dual screen setups and has power-management.

>  > > - Drop/fix whatever is pulling in gnome-python2-bonobo
>  > 
>  > I thought this was the reason for switching to gdm or are we dealing
>  > with two problems here?
>  
>  This was seperate, and hopefully is fixed now. 
What was it? 

>  > > - Add Martins default config idea from so long ago as
> default. 
>  > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-June/000533.html
>  > 
>  > -1. While the default layout can be improved I dislike the layout
>  > martin proposed and have lined out the problems with it in the old
>  > thread.
>  
>  ok. Perhaps we could get a alternate proposal or ask Martin to revamp
>  his? Or should we stick with default? 
I think there were some in this thread or at least around that time.
Sorry, I'm too busy to come up with my own ATM.

Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:24:21 +0200
Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Am Mittwoch, den 03.08.2011, 09:07 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:03:04 +0200
>  > Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Am Dienstag, den 02.08.2011, 11:35 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > > > So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  > > > 
>  > > > - Switch to lxdm. 
>  > > 
>  > > I'm fine with switching to lxdm temporarily, but we first should
>  > > figure out if is really gdm.
>  > 
>  > I was suggesting switching to lxdm because gdm doesn't get us much
>  > anymore. It used to be it had things like ability to select language
>  > and such, but all thats gone. Is there any benifit left to gdm over
>  > lxdm?
>  
>  It can cope with dual screen setups and has power-management. 
Hum. Does lxdm just not run the other screens? or just doesn't work at
all in a dual screen setup? 

Dunno how important power management is there... do people really bring
up just a greeter and expect power management and such?

kevin

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Mittwoch, den 03.08.2011, 09:41 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:24:21 +0200
>  Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > Am Mittwoch, den 03.08.2011, 09:07 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > > On Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:03:04 +0200
>  > > Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > 
>  > > > Am Dienstag, den 02.08.2011, 11:35 -0600 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  > > > > So, we are getting down to alpha here... I'd like to propose: 
>  > > > > 
>  > > > > - Switch to lxdm. 
>  > > > 
>  > > > I'm fine with switching to lxdm temporarily, but we first should
>  > > > figure out if is really gdm.
>  > > 
>  > > I was suggesting switching to lxdm because gdm doesn't get us much
>  > > anymore. It used to be it had things like ability to select language
>  > > and such, but all thats gone. Is there any benifit left to gdm over
>  > > lxdm?
>  > 
>  > It can cope with dual screen setups and has power-management.
>  
>  Hum. Does lxdm just not run the other screens? or just doesn't work at
>  all in a dual screen setup?  
X default is to extend the main screen with the second one and depending
on the sizes most of the time the greeter will end up on the border
between both screens. :(

>  Dunno how important power management is there... do people really
> bring
>  up just a greeter and expect power management and such? 
Boot your laptop and forget about it. I guess people expect it to at
least shutdown cleanly instead of just stop operation when power is out.

Regards,
Christoph

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 18:21 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:

>  X default is to extend the main screen with the second one and
> depending
>  on the sizes most of the time the greeter will end up on the border
>  between both screens. :( 
Yeah, LXDM for me stretches across both my screens, with the Username:
box chopped up, half on each screen.
-- 
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Fedora QA Community Monkey
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