xfce 4.13 and FC29 bugs

[ToddAndMargo]

Hi All,

Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The
last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit.

Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  This is
my list of new bugs I reported

launcher panels no longer scale
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14828

xfce4-about 4.13 thinks it is 4.12
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14827

xfce4-about 4.13 is missing from settings
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14829

panel icon size ignored on pop up
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14830

mailing list is down
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831

black background on panel icons
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14842

-T

[ToddAndMargo]

On 11/6/18 9:15 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The
> last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit.
>
> Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  This is
> my list of new bugs I reported
>
> launcher panels no longer scale
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14828
>
> xfce4-about 4.13 thinks it is 4.12
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14827
>
> xfce4-about 4.13 is missing from settings
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14829
>
> panel icon size ignored on pop up
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14830
>
> mailing list is down
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14831
>
> black background on panel icons
> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14842
>
> -T

And another one:

Krusader and other do not show up on the panel0 task bar
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14854

[Panu Matilainen]

On 11/6/18 7:15 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The
> last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit.
>
> Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  This is
> my list of new bugs I reported

It really did. This many glitches and bugs I would expect and live with 
on rawhide, but not a stable release. It's also not something I could 
expose my family to.

Thanks for all the fish, XFCE was a frienly and rock solid safe harbour 
from the "modern UI" madness for several years but the decision to push 
a development version to all users has made it unusable here. 
Fortunately there are more alternatives these days.

- Panu -

[Johannes Lips]

> On 11/6/18 7:15 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
>
> It really did. This many glitches and bugs I would expect and live with 
> on rawhide, but not a stable release. It's also not something I could 
> expose my family to.
>
> Thanks for all the fish, XFCE was a frienly and rock solid safe harbour 
> from the "modern UI" madness for several years but the decision to push 
> a development version to all users has made it unusable here. 
> Fortunately there are more alternatives these days.

Sorry, but this is a bit too hard on the devs. To be honest, I don't really have any issues, apart from some minor graphical glitches and overall it's very stable and not a lot changed. I prefer the development version of many UI libs, because now it looks a lot more consistent and is not such a big mix of UI guidelines.
Just would like to add a more positive answer.
Johannes
> Panu -

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/6/18 5:11 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 11/6/18 7:15 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The
> > last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit.
> >
> > Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  This is
> > my list of new bugs I reported
>
> It really did. This many glitches and bugs I would expect and live with 
> on rawhide, but not a stable release. It's also not something I could 
> expose my family to.
>
> Thanks for all the fish, XFCE was a frienly and rock solid safe harbour 
> from the "modern UI" madness for several years but the decision to push 
> a development version to all users has made it unusable here. 
> Fortunately there are more alternatives these days.
>
> - Panu -

Hi Panu,

I do adore Xfce as I can not stand "OS as Playground". The OS
should just get ot of my way and run my programs.  I do not care
what the latest picture on the web are.  And if I am in the mood
for something multimedia, I will fire up that program and exit
it when I am done with it.  Xfce excels at this.

Since I am a computer tech, I just work around all the issues
with Fedora29 and Xfce 4.13.  But when I am dealing with
customers, I still use Fedora 28 and Xfce 4.12.

I am a bit surprised at all the bugs in 4.13. I think it
is the buggiest release I have seen.

You can always check out Mate.  It is also simple.    But I
will stick with Xfce as I have configured a lot of stuff
in Panel 1.

-T

[Dridi Boukelmoune]

Hi Todd,
> Hi Panu,
>
> I do adore Xfce as I can not stand "OS as Playground". The OS
> should just get ot of my way and run my programs.  I do not care
> what the latest picture on the web are.  And if I am in the mood
> for something multimedia, I will fire up that program and exit
> it when I am done with it.  Xfce excels at this.

Agreed.
> Since I am a computer tech, I just work around all the issues
> with Fedora29 and Xfce 4.13.  But when I am dealing with
> customers, I still use Fedora 28 and Xfce 4.12.
>
> I am a bit surprised at all the bugs in 4.13. I think it
> is the buggiest release I have seen.

To be fair, the main maintainer of the Xfce stack asked on this list
whether we should switch to a dev release instead of waiting for the
next stable release. The consensus from the people that replied to
that thread was in favor of upgrading.

I'm not too surprised that Xfce 4.13 would be so buggy because there
are migrating to gtk3 (leading to wayland support I think) and that's
a huge deal for a desktop environment.

So far I've seen one bug I couldn't reproduce in Thunar: the modal
window during an MTP transfer lost track of the transfer and remained
with no associated PID forever (can we call that a Zombie Window?)

I think it's valuable to the Xfce project if bug reports bubble up,
and it seems I've been lucky dodging all the bugs so far.

Dridi