xfce4-mixer

[Kevin Fenzi]

Hey folks.

Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?

It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
it never got a 4.12 release.
it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream

Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?

kevin

[Dridi Boukelmoune]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
>
> It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
> it never got a 4.12 release.
> it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
> it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream
>
> Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?

Not really, I wasn't even aware of the nitty-gritty. xfce4-mixer isn't
even installed on my desktop, and I always use pavucontrol to deal
with sound mixing. It also looks like I'm note using the pulseaudio
plugin but pnmixer instead. The latter is a bit buggy, save for the
fact that its "Mixer" button opens up pavucontrol so all in all works
for me :)

Cheers

[Aleksandar Kostadinov]

Kevin Fenzi wrote on 04/23/18 22:11:
> Hey folks.
>
> Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
>
> It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better

using this one, didn't know another one existed
> it never got a 4.12 release.
> it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
> it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream
>
> Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?
>
> kevin

[Dridi Boukelmoune]

> > It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> > we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
>
> using this one, didn't know another one existed

I don't remember how my system was put together back in Fedora 18, but
among the function keys of my keyboard the audio ones never worked.
That is, until I gave a try to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin, so for this
reason alone I'm now ditching PNMixer :)

PNMixer was probably here by default or ended up in my panel by
accident, and it's a lot more beautiful (subjective opinion of course)
but my desktop experience just improved by switching plugins. Thanks
for even asking about that other one I never heard of and isn't even
on my system.

Cheers

[Philip Rhoades]

Kevin,

On 2018-04-24 05:11, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
>
> It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
> it never got a 4.12 release.
> it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
> it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream
>
> Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?

Every time I upgrade I immediately UNinstall PA and use ALSA only - so I 
still depend on xfce4-mixer . .

Thanks,

Phil.
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[Aleksandar Kostadinov]

Philip Rhoades wrote on 04/23/18 23:27:
> Kevin,
>
> On 2018-04-24 05:11, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Hey folks.
> >
> > Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
> >
> > It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> > we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
> > it never got a 4.12 release.
> > it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
> > it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream
> >
> > Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?
>
> Every time I upgrade I immediately UNinstall PA and use ALSA only - so I 
> still depend on xfce4-mixer . .

Have you tried pulse lately? I resisted it for years because of 
flakiness. Then at some point something stopped supporting pure alsa. 
And I gave in to try pulse again. And all is fine since that day 
(actually controlling streams separately is an added feature).

So if you don't have some hard requirement, I think you can try out pulse.
> Thanks,
>
> Phil.
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[Philip Rhoades]

Aleksandar,

On 2018-04-24 07:41, Aleksandar Kostadinov wrote:
> Philip Rhoades wrote on 04/23/18 23:27:
> > Kevin,
> >
> > On 2018-04-24 05:11, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > Hey folks.
> > >
> > > Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
> > >
> > > It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> > > we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better
> > > it never got a 4.12 release.
> > > it still uses gstreamer-0.1x
> > > it has a bunch of bugs outstanding upstream
> > >
> > > Does anyone see a need for it to stay around?
> >
> > Every time I upgrade I immediately UNinstall PA and use ALSA only - so 
> > I still depend on xfce4-mixer . .
>
> Have you tried pulse lately? I resisted it for years because of
> flakiness. Then at some point something stopped supporting pure alsa.
> And I gave in to try pulse again. And all is fine since that day
> (actually controlling streams separately is an added feature).
>
> So if you don't have some hard requirement, I think you can try out 
> pulse.

Hmm . . OK, I'll see how I go at the next fresh install - I usually do a 
dnf upgrade most times and only install from scratch on a new hard disk 
which seems to average every third or fourth version . .

Thanks,

Phil.

[Mukundan Ragavan]

I think we should primarily because I do not know when it will stop working .... :(

If you recall, last time I obsoleted it, there were some users and we still seem to have some users judging from emails below. So .. I guess wait and watch.

[Ken Dreyer]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 1:11 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> Should we look at retiring xfce4-mixer in f29?
>
> It doesn't play nice with pulseaudio
> we have xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin that works much better

I reformatted my laptop this week and this thread was really timely :)
I switched to xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and it works great.

- Ken

[Kevin Fenzi]

On 04/23/2018 06:38 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> I think we should primarily because I do not know when it will stop working .... :(
>
> If you recall, last time I obsoleted it, there were some users and we still seem to have some users judging from emails below. So .. I guess wait and watch.

Well, so far there's 1 person in this thread, and they agreed to try
switching away from it. :)

So, I think there's a better chance we could retire it now...

kevin

[Philip Rhoades]

Kevin,

On 2018-04-27 09:34, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 06:38 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> > I think we should primarily because I do not know when it will stop 
> > working .... :(
> >
> > If you recall, last time I obsoleted it, there were some users and we 
> > still seem to have some users judging from emails below. So .. I guess 
> > wait and watch.
>
> Well, so far there's 1 person in this thread, and they agreed to try
> switching away from it. :)
>
> So, I think there's a better chance we could retire it now...

Well, to be clear, what I said / meant was that the next time I 
re-install from scratch with a new HD is when I would try something else 
- that could be 12 months away . .

P.
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[Mukundan Ragavan]

On 04/26/2018 07:34 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On 04/23/2018 06:38 PM, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
> > I think we should primarily because I do not know when it will stop working .... :(
> >
> > If you recall, last time I obsoleted it, there were some users and we still seem to have some users judging from emails below. So .. I guess wait and watch.
>
> Well, so far there's 1 person in this thread, and they agreed to try
> switching away from it. :)
>
> So, I think there's a better chance we could retire it now...
>
> kevin

I have absolutely no problems! I have been wanting to do this for a
while. :)

Mukundan.