Spins Freeze tomorrow, are we happy with the application selection?

[Adam Miller]

Hello all,
    As suggested by the subject line, the spins freeze is tomorrow and
I wanted to take a moment to make sure we are all happy with the
current application selection and general current state of the Xfce
Spin. Once the freeze happens I will be putting together a QA plan for
a Xfce Spin Test Day based on the application layout (and other
modifications) for the F13 Xfce Spin. Just wanted to see what peoples
thoughts were on this topic.

-AdamM

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 10:42 -0600 schrieb Adam Miller:
>  Hello all,
>      As suggested by the subject line, the spins freeze is tomorrow  
IMHO the spin freeze is one of the worst ideas we ever had. I will ask
the Spins SIG to revert this decision tonight because it was made under
false assumptions (At least from my POV).

>  and
>  I wanted to take a moment to make sure we are all happy with the
>  current application selection and general current state of the Xfce
>  Spin. 
We talked about the app selection four weeks ago and I think we agreed
to
     1. drop gftp
     2. drop totem in favor of parole, although we loose automatic codec
        install
     3. replace mousepad with leafpad. This will require a change in the
        default config of xfce4-panel. Meanwhile there is a preview of
        the new mousepad which is a complete rewrite. I'd like to roll
        testing packages of it before we decide to switch to leafpad, so
        I don't think we should make this change now.

There has been some progress with LXDM recently: It now supports
plymouth, custom themes [1], Xauth, but not yet gnome-keyring. And there
are still probems with selinux [2].

One more change I'd like to propose: Replace tigervnc with remmina [3]
Remmina supports VNC (outgoing and incoming!), XDMCP RDP, and SSH/SFTP,
has a nice GTK interface and last but not least an Xfce panel applet. :)
Remmina is currently under review [4] and I have already packaged
remmina-xfce.

>   Once the freeze happens I will be putting together a QA plan for
>  a Xfce Spin Test Day based on the application layout (and other
>  modifications) for the F13 Xfce Spin. Just wanted to see what peoples
>  thoughts were on this topic. 
Great! 
For now I suggest to only drop gftp and totem, the rest is up to further
discussion.

>  -AdamM 
Regards,
Christoph

[1] http://blog.lxde.org/?p=595
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552885
[3] http://remmina.sourceforge.net/
[4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=553402

[Adam Miller]

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Christoph Wickert
<christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 10:42 -0600 schrieb Adam Miller:
> > Hello all,
> >     As suggested by the subject line, the spins freeze is tomorrow
>
>  IMHO the spin freeze is one of the worst ideas we ever had. I will ask
>  the Spins SIG to revert this decision tonight because it was made under
>  false assumptions (At least from my POV).
>  
Sounds good, keep us posted I assume :)

<snip>
>  We talked about the app selection four weeks ago and I think we agreed
>  to
>      1. drop gftp
>      2. drop totem in favor of parole, although we loose automatic codec
>         install 
Yup

>      3. replace mousepad with leafpad. This will require a change in
> the
>         default config of xfce4-panel. Meanwhile there is a preview of
>         the new mousepad which is a complete rewrite. I'd like to roll
>         testing packages of it before we decide to switch to leafpad, so
>         I don't think we should make this change now.
>  
Agreed

<snip>
>  One more change I'd like to propose: Replace tigervnc with
> remmina [3]
>  Remmina supports VNC (outgoing and incoming!), XDMCP RDP, and SSH/SFTP,
>  has a nice GTK interface and last but not least an Xfce panel applet. :)
>  Remmina is currently under review [4] and I have already packaged
>  remmina-xfce.
>  
<snip>

That sounds like a great idea, I'm all for integration and an uniform
look of the desktop experience.

+1 from me.



-AdamM

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 15:38 -0600 schrieb Adam Miller: 
>  On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Christoph Wickert
>  <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Am Montag, den 08.02.2010, 10:42 -0600 schrieb Adam Miller:
>  >> Hello all,
>  >>     As suggested by the subject line, the spins freeze is tomorrow
>  >
>  > IMHO the spin freeze is one of the worst ideas we ever had. I will ask
>  > the Spins SIG to revert this decision tonight because it was made under
>  > false assumptions (At least from my POV).
>  >
>  
>  Sounds good, keep us posted I assume :) 
Unfortunately I missed this in today's meeting. After 4 hours of
chatting I was afk for 5 minutes and that was just the time of the open
floor. :( I will bring it up again next week.

>  <snip>
>  >
>  > We talked about the app selection four weeks ago and I think we agreed
>  > to
>  >     1. drop gftp
>  >     2. drop totem in favor of parole, although we loose automatic codec
>  >        install
>  
>  Yup 
I committed these changes today. 

>  >     3. replace mousepad with leafpad. This will require a change
> in the
>  >        default config of xfce4-panel. Meanwhile there is a preview of
>  >        the new mousepad which is a complete rewrite. I'd like to roll
>  >        testing packages of it before we decide to switch to leafpad, so
>  >        I don't think we should make this change now.
>  >
>  
>  Agreed 
mousepad 0.3.0 looks promising. You can find some testing packages at
http://cwickert.fedorapeople.org/xfce4/mousepad-svn/

>  <snip>
>  > One more change I'd like to propose: Replace tigervnc with remmina [3]
>  > Remmina supports VNC (outgoing and incoming!), XDMCP RDP, and SSH/SFTP,
>  > has a nice GTK interface and last but not least an Xfce panel applet. :)
>  > Remmina is currently under review [4] and I have already packaged
>  > remmina-xfce.
>  >
>  <snip>
>  
>  That sounds like a great idea, I'm all for integration and an uniform
>  look of the desktop experience.
>  
>  +1 from me. 
Ok, review request at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=563001

>  -AdamM 
Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:28:12 +0100
Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:

>  We talked about the app selection four weeks ago and I think we
> agreed
>  to
>       1. drop gftp
>       2. drop totem in favor of parole, although we loose automatic
>  codec install
>       3. replace mousepad with leafpad. This will require a change in
>  the default config of xfce4-panel. Meanwhile there is a preview of
>          the new mousepad which is a complete rewrite. I'd like to roll
>          testing packages of it before we decide to switch to leafpad,
>  so I don't think we should make this change now. 
I like the new mousepad, so if we think it can get translations before
release time perhaps we could go for that instead of leafpad?

>  There has been some progress with LXDM recently: It now supports
>  plymouth, custom themes [1], Xauth, but not yet gnome-keyring. And
>  there are still probems with selinux [2]. 
I would say to stick with gdm for this cycle for now, and re-evaluate
next time. 

>  One more change I'd like to propose: Replace tigervnc with
> remmina [3]
>  Remmina supports VNC (outgoing and incoming!), XDMCP RDP, and
>  SSH/SFTP, has a nice GTK interface and last but not least an Xfce
>  panel applet. :) Remmina is currently under review [4] and I have
>  already packaged remmina-xfce. 
Yep. I am fine with that. Works great here. ;) 

kevin

[Adam Miller]

Ok, here's where we are sitting for the Xfce Test day as I currently
see the state of the spin kickstart.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:Tentative

Comments, input, etc. are welcome!

-AdamM

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[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 15.02.2010, 21:28 -0700 schrieb Kevin Fenzi: 
>  On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:28:12 +0100
>  Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>  > We talked about the app selection four weeks ago and I think we agreed
>  > to
>  >      1. drop gftp
>  >      2. drop totem in favor of parole, although we loose automatic
>  > codec install
>  >      3. replace mousepad with leafpad. This will require a change in
>  > the default config of xfce4-panel. Meanwhile there is a preview of
>  >         the new mousepad which is a complete rewrite. I'd like to roll
>  >         testing packages of it before we decide to switch to leafpad,
>  > so I don't think we should make this change now.
>  
>  I like the new mousepad, so if we think it can get translations before
>  release time perhaps we could go for that instead of leafpad? 
+1, I think we should avoid switching to leafpad if possible because of
the changes in other xfce components such as the panel. 

>  > There has been some progress with LXDM recently: It now
> supports
>  > plymouth, custom themes [1], Xauth, but not yet gnome-keyring. And
>  > there are still probems with selinux [2].
>  
>  I would say to stick with gdm for this cycle for now, and re-evaluate
>  next time. 
+1 

>  > One more change I'd like to propose: Replace tigervnc with
> remmina [3]
>  > Remmina supports VNC (outgoing and incoming!), XDMCP RDP, and
>  > SSH/SFTP, has a nice GTK interface and last but not least an Xfce
>  > panel applet. :) Remmina is currently under review [4] and I have
>  > already packaged remmina-xfce.
>  
>  Yep. I am fine with that. Works great here. ;) 
Fine! xfce4-remmina-plugin is already reviewed, I'm waiting for remmina.

>  kevin 
Regards,
Christoph