4:02 a.m.
I was looking at the release cycle dates which are aimed for 1 May
(may Bank Holiday) and 31 Oct (Halloween).
F18 came out this month (instead of November 2012) - i installed F17
in December thinking i was installing the latest version (ok it was
but not what i thought). I assume there were problems to be overcome
or is it released quite often a couple of months late.
thanks
james
8:10 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:02 AM, James Freer <jessejazza3.uk(a)gmail.com>wrote:
I assume there were problems to be overcome
or is it released quite often a couple of months late.
You can see the past release dates for Fedora here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules
From looking at that list it appears that most releases do fall in
May/November.
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Information Technology Systems & Services
University of Minnesota Duluth
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5:02 a.m.
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Steve Morrissey <smorriss(a)d.umn.edu> wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:02 AM, James Freer <jessejazza3.uk(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I assume there were problems to be overcome
> or is it released quite often a couple of months late.
You can see the past release dates for Fedora here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/HistoricalSchedules
From looking at that list it appears that most releases do fall in
May/November.
Steve Morrissey
Information Technology Systems & Services
University of Minnesota Duluth
I looked at that location and that's why i thought when installing F17
that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
no one says what problems they had with it.
james
7:39 a.m.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02:35AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
I looked at that location and that's why i thought when
installing F17
that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
no one says what problems they had with it.
There's actually been a long, ongoing discussion about it. You can look at
Fedora meeting archives or on the devel list for details. The primary delay
in this case is the landing of the re-written Anaconda installer.
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Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
3:09 p.m.
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02:35AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
> I looked at that location and that's why i thought when installing F17
> that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
> no one says what problems they had with it.
There's actually been a long, ongoing discussion about it. You can look at
Fedora meeting archives or on the devel list for details. The primary delay
in this case is the landing of the re-written Anaconda installer.
Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
I wondered if that was the problem as folk seem to have trouble with
F18. Personally i've been thinking again about 6 month releases. There
simply doesn't seem to be the time for developers to sort of
problems.... why not an annual release. The bi-annual release of
*buntu LTS means in the 2nd year apps being out of date. The 6 month
release seems to mean a lot of hard work in a short space of time.
thanks
james
6:28 p.m.
On 1/22/2013 4:09 PM, James Freer wrote:
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02:35AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
>> I looked at that location and that's why i thought when installing F17
>> that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
>> no one says what problems they had with it.
>
> There's actually been a long, ongoing discussion about it. You can look at
> Fedora meeting archives or on the devel list for details. The primary delay
> in this case is the landing of the re-written Anaconda installer.
>
> Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
I wondered if that was the problem as folk seem to have trouble with
F18. Personally i've been thinking again about 6 month releases. There
simply doesn't seem to be the time for developers to sort of
problems.... why not an annual release. The bi-annual release of
*buntu LTS means in the 2nd year apps being out of date. The 6 month
release seems to mean a lot of hard work in a short space of time.
I do not now, nor have I ever, looked at the number of people that have
problems, and yes there are some, as a true representative number of a
distributions users. The users that have true problems ask for help. Or
rant. :-) While those of us that do not have problems do not write.
My guess? The number of users without problems far exceeds the number
that do.
Now a personal request. Please. Please don't start the semiannual thread
about the release schedule time period. :-)
--
David
5:12 a.m.
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:28 AM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/22/2013 4:09 PM, James Freer wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Matthew Miller
> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02:35AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
>>> I looked at that location and that's why i thought when installing F17
>>> that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
>>> no one says what problems they had with it.
>>
>> There's actually been a long, ongoing discussion about it. You can look at
>> Fedora meeting archives or on the devel list for details. The primary delay
>> in this case is the landing of the re-written Anaconda installer.
>>
>> Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
>
> I wondered if that was the problem as folk seem to have trouble with
> F18. Personally i've been thinking again about 6 month releases. There
> simply doesn't seem to be the time for developers to sort of
> problems.... why not an annual release. The bi-annual release of
> *buntu LTS means in the 2nd year apps being out of date. The 6 month
> release seems to mean a lot of hard work in a short space of time.
I do not now, nor have I ever, looked at the number of people that have
problems, and yes there are some, as a true representative number of a
distributions users. The users that have true problems ask for help. Or
rant. :-) While those of us that do not have problems do not write.
My guess? The number of users without problems far exceeds the number
that do.
David
Now a personal request. Please. Please don't start the semiannual
thread
about the release schedule time period. :-)
I wasn't attempting to start a 'semiannual debate' - i was merely
saying that the 6 month release clearly gives a heavy workload for
developers... an annual release would 'release' them! I think they
work extremely hard and are perhaps not fully appreciated with the
challenges they are faced with.
james
9:31 a.m.
On 1/23/2013 6:12 AM, James Freer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:28 AM, David <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 1/22/2013 4:09 PM, James Freer wrote:
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Matthew Miller
>> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:02:35AM +0000, James Freer wrote:
>>>> I looked at that location and that's why i thought when installing
F17
>>>> that was the latest version. F18 goes down as the latest release but
>>>> no one says what problems they had with it.
>>>
>>> There's actually been a long, ongoing discussion about it. You can look
at
>>> Fedora meeting archives or on the devel list for details. The primary delay
>>> in this case is the landing of the re-written Anaconda installer.
>>>
>>> Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
>>
>> I wondered if that was the problem as folk seem to have trouble with
>> F18. Personally i've been thinking again about 6 month releases. There
>> simply doesn't seem to be the time for developers to sort of
>> problems.... why not an annual release. The bi-annual release of
>> *buntu LTS means in the 2nd year apps being out of date. The 6 month
>> release seems to mean a lot of hard work in a short space of time.
>
>
> I do not now, nor have I ever, looked at the number of people that have
> problems, and yes there are some, as a true representative number of a
> distributions users. The users that have true problems ask for help. Or
> rant. :-) While those of us that do not have problems do not write.
>
> My guess? The number of users without problems far exceeds the number
> that do.
>
David
> Now a personal request. Please. Please don't start the semiannual thread
> about the release schedule time period. :-)
I wasn't attempting to start a 'semiannual debate' - i was merely
saying that the 6 month release clearly gives a heavy workload for
developers... an annual release would 'release' them! I think they
work extremely hard and are perhaps not fully appreciated with the
challenges they are faced with.
And what I said was that with every release this subject is discussed to
the point that it eventually turns into a flame war. The developers, not
the users, have decided on a 6 month cycle for Fedora time and time
again. A 9 month cycle was tried, once, and the developers disliked that.
Notice that I said *the developers and not the users* decided on the 6
month cycle.
If you feel that a longer release cycle would help *you* personally you
might consider looking for a distribution with a longer cycle. Debian
comes to mind as a very, very long cycle one. As well as Mageia which is
9 months with a support cycle of 18 months before EOL. There are others
that are 'rolling update' models that update without a planned release
cycle at all. They release a 'snapshot' (depends on the distribution)
every 18 to 24 months.
You have nice day.
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