4:35 a.m.
On 09. 01. 19 10:31, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 09:34:54AM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> Today, if I try to uninstall python2 from Xfce spin (rawhide), this is what
> gets removed as dependent:
>
> NetworkManager-openconnect-gnome
> blueberry
> gnumeric
> python2-catfish
> system-config-keyboard
> system-config-users
>
> Several others go as no longer needed, mostly python2 libs, but also:
>
> NetworkManager-openconnect
> bluez-obex
> bluez-tools
> openconnect
> wmctrl
>
> While I doubt the actual usefulness of gnumeric, what bothers me is:
Maybe drop gnumeric, at least from the default installation? I really
liked gnumeric, it is lightweight and well designed, but its time seems
to have passed. I don't think we're doing anybody any favours by
encouraging people to use it.
Exactly.
> 1. It seems that the Bluetooth stack is entirely gone. Do we have
an viable
> alternative?
Hmm, in F29 workstation, I have bluez-obexd.x86_64 installed, and
"sudo dnf remove python2" doesn't touch it. What is the dependency
chain that you see?
bluez-obexd was only removed as it was no longer required. The primary thing
that got blasted by py2 removal was blueberry.
> 2. If openconnect is not needed on Workstation, why is it needed
in Xfce?
>
> 3. Can we set keyboards/users with some alternatives? system-config-* still
> link to fedorahosted as upstream and haven't received an update in years.
> They seem pretty upstream dead to me.
> 4. Catfish is Python 3 compatible, but the Fedora maintainer is not [4].
I rebuilt the package with your PR. I hope I won't get flamed to death ;)
Well it's my commit, so maybe I will get flamed :D
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7:35 a.m.
New subject: Removal of Python 2 from the Xfce spin
On 09. 01. 19 11:35, Miro Hrončok wrote:
On 09. 01. 19 10:31, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 09:34:54AM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>> Today, if I try to uninstall python2 from Xfce spin (rawhide), this is what
>> gets removed as dependent:
>>
>> NetworkManager-openconnect-gnome
>> blueberry
>> gnumeric
>> python2-catfish
>> system-config-keyboard
>> system-config-users
>>
>> Several others go as no longer needed, mostly python2 libs, but also:
>>
>> NetworkManager-openconnect
>> bluez-obex
>> bluez-tools
>> openconnect
>> wmctrl
>>
>> While I doubt the actual usefulness of gnumeric, what bothers me is:
> Maybe drop gnumeric, at least from the default installation? I really
> liked gnumeric, it is lightweight and well designed, but its time seems
> to have passed. I don't think we're doing anybody any favours by
> encouraging people to use it.
Exactly.
>> 1. It seems that the Bluetooth stack is entirely gone. Do we have an viable
>> alternative?
> Hmm, in F29 workstation, I have bluez-obexd.x86_64 installed, and
> "sudo dnf remove python2" doesn't touch it. What is the dependency
> chain that you see?
bluez-obexd was only removed as it was no longer required. The primary thing
that got blasted by py2 removal was blueberry.
>> 2. If openconnect is not needed on Workstation, why is it needed in Xfce?
>>
>> 3. Can we set keyboards/users with some alternatives? system-config-* still
>> link to fedorahosted as upstream and haven't received an update in years.
>> They seem pretty upstream dead to me.
>
>> 4. Catfish is Python 3 compatible, but the Fedora maintainer is not [4].
> I rebuilt the package with your PR. I hope I won't get flamed to death ;)
Well it's my commit, so maybe I will get flamed :D
Aaaand... it's reverted :D
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9:04 a.m.
New subject: Removal of Python 2 from the Xfce spin
To be honest, behaviour like this should be discussed somewhere, don't know perhaps
with FPC. To me this is just not the appropriate way to react and I think it is really
childish.
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