XFCE SIG Badge

[Ralph Bean]

Hello all,

A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the XFCE SIG":

https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/133

As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in
the group.  Some options for awarding the badge:

- We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off
  of that.  Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do.
  The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real
  purpose than for handing out badges.  It has to be maintained,
  pruned eventually, etc..

- Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be
  'in charge' of the badge.  There is a self-service interface in the
  webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as
  they see fit.

I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done.  Can you hash it out
and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above?

Cheers-
 -Ralph

[John C. Deal]

This sounds like something  the government would think up.

On 10/23/2014 11:33 AM, Ralph Bean wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the XFCE SIG":
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/133
>
> As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in
> the group.  Some options for awarding the badge:
>
> We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off
>  of that.  Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do.
>  The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real
>  purpose than for handing out badges.  It has to be maintained,
>  pruned eventually, etc..
>
> Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be
>  'in charge' of the badge.  There is a self-service interface in the
>  webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as
>  they see fit.
>
> I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done.  Can you hash it out
> and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above?
>
> Cheers-
>   -Ralph
>
> xfce mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:06:06 -0400
John Deal  wrote:
> This sounds like something  the government would think up.

ok, I'll bite. What makes you think so?

kevin

[John C. Deal]

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Kevin,

I am just a (heavy) user of XFCE, but I used to work for the
government.  To me, a lot of certificates, badges, etc. are handed out
to government employees when no reward is justified, witness the VA and
its five-figure bonuses.  I think what would be better is a routine
acknowledgment of people involved in specific things I use.  For
example, "Kevin Fenzi led the testing efforts on this release" or " Joe,
Jim, and Mary developed the new [whatever] to replace a slower app that
took up more space."  In other words, what would be most helpful would
be to give more explicit recognition to specific efforts to improve XFCE.

BTW, I love Linux and XFCE so much that even though I am just a
retired attorney I have taught two Linux classes at our local senior
center. Keep up the good work.  And thanks for asking.

John

John C. Deal
2575 Wexford RD
Columbus, OH 43221-3215
[phone] (cell)

On 10/27/2014 11:38 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:06:06 -0400
> John Deal  wrote:
> > This sounds like something  the government would think up.
>
> ok, I'll bite. What makes you think so?
>
> kevin
>
> xfce mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:06:33 -0400
"John C. Deal"  wrote:
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> Kevin,
> I am just a (heavy) user of XFCE, but I used to work for the
>
> government.  To me, a lot of certificates, badges, etc. are handed out
> to government employees when no reward is justified, witness the VA
> and its five-figure bonuses.  I think what would be better is a
> routine acknowledgment of people involved in specific things I use.
> For example, "Kevin Fenzi led the testing efforts on this release" or
> " Joe, Jim, and Mary developed the new [whatever] to replace a slower
> app that took up more space."  In other words, what would be most
> helpful would be to give more explicit recognition to specific
> efforts to improve XFCE.

Well, badges are completely optional. You can go and opt out of ever
getting any from Fedora. Some folks find them nice in that they can go
do productive/good things for Fedora and get a small notification that
they did. They also sometimes help people figure out where they can
contribute when they didn't think of that area before. Ie, if there is
a "Xfce sig" badge, some people who use Xfce and are into collecting
badges might show up on this list and contribute where before they
didn't know there was a Xfce sig.

Anyhow, I see what you are saying, but I don't think badges harm
anything and are fun for some folks.
> BTW, I love Linux and XFCE so much that even though I am just a
>
> retired attorney I have taught two Linux classes at our local senior
> center. Keep up the good work.  And thanks for asking.

No problem, and glad you are enjoying things. ;) Do feel free to chime
in anytime... feedback is very welcome!

kevin

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:33:24 -0400
Ralph Bean  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the XFCE SIG":
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/133
>
> As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in
> the group.  Some options for awarding the badge:
>
> We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off
> of that.  Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do.
> The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real
> purpose than for handing out badges.  It has to be maintained,
> pruned eventually, etc..
>
> Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be
> 'in charge' of the badge.  There is a self-service interface in the
> webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as
> they see fit.
>
> I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done.  Can you hash it out
> and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above?

I'd think having a few folks hand out the badge sounds best to me. 
Perhaps me and Christoph to start with?

We could have some simple critera:

* Have added the Xfce sig note to their wiki page
* Are subscribed to the Xfce mailing list

Any other criteria folks can think of?

kevin

[Johannes Lips]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:33:24 -0400
> Ralph Bean  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the XFCE SIG":
> >
> > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/133
> >
> > As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in
> > the group.  Some options for awarding the badge:
> >
> > We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off
> > of that.  Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do.
> > The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real
> > purpose than for handing out badges.  It has to be maintained,
> > pruned eventually, etc..
> >
> > Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be
> > 'in charge' of the badge.  There is a self-service interface in the
> > webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as
> > they see fit.
> >
> > I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done.  Can you hash it out
> > and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above?
>
> I'd think having a few folks hand out the badge sounds best to me.
> Perhaps me and Christoph to start with?
>
> We could have some simple critera:
> Have added the Xfce sig note to their wiki page
> Are subscribed to the Xfce mailing list
>
> Perhaps one additional criteria would be to maintain Xfce packages, but

this is probably too narrow.
> Any other criteria folks can think of?
>
> kevin
>
> xfce mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce

[Thomas Spura]

2014-10-27 16:38 GMT+01:00 Kevin Fenzi :
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:33:24 -0400
> Ralph Bean  wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > A new Fedora badge has been proposed for "membership in the XFCE SIG":
> >
> > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-badges/ticket/133
> >
> > As far as I can see, there is not a formal definition of membership in
> > the group.  Some options for awarding the badge:
> >
> > We could create a new FAS group and trigger the badge awarding off
> > of that.  Lots of other badges work this way, so it is easy to do.
> > The only downside is that you have a FAS group with no other real
> > purpose than for handing out badges.  It has to be maintained,
> > pruned eventually, etc..
> >
> > Or, instead, we could take one or two volunteers from the SIG to be
> > 'in charge' of the badge.  There is a self-service interface in the
> > webapp where they could manually award the badge to sig members as
> > they see fit.
> >
> > I'd like to do it however the sig wants it done.  Can you hash it out
> > and let the badges crew know by posting back in the trac ticket above?
>
> I'd think having a few folks hand out the badge sounds best to me.
> Perhaps me and Christoph to start with?
>
> We could have some simple critera:
> Have added the Xfce sig note to their wiki page
> Are subscribed to the Xfce mailing list
>
> Any other criteria folks can think of?

* Owning xfce packages.
* Testing and providing karma of updates.

Which most likely will boil down to your simple criteria as well...
I guess your criterias are easier to search for. Or would it be
possible to trigger something like owning the packages and providing
at least 5 karmas?

Greetings,
   Tom