Hi everyone :)
Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce Spin is great. But really not attractive. And I think that it's quite bad, as a lot of users will think that Xfce is obsolete and crappy because of this old theme.
What about using Greybird (Gtk+Xfwm) and Elementary-icons or Faenza-icons ? They are promoted by the Xfce project itself, and they are in our lovely official Fedora repositories.
For example, a screenshot of my actual desktop (but AwOkEn is used on the dock) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1342315963.png
And if I can help, don't hesitate to ask (I've created an Openbox Fedora Remix so I know a bit). I would really enjoy contributing to the Xfce spin.
Please forgive me if my english is bad.
Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 3:55 AM, Alexandre Singh darthwound@gmail.comwrote:
Hi everyone :)
Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce Spin is great. But really not attractive. And I think that it's quite bad, as a lot of users will think that Xfce is obsolete and crappy because of this old theme.
What about using Greybird (Gtk+Xfwm) and Elementary-icons or Faenza-icons ? They are promoted by the Xfce project itself, and they are in our lovely official Fedora repositories.
For example, a screenshot of my actual desktop (but AwOkEn is used on the dock) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/**upload/original/1342315963.pnghttp://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1342315963.png
And if I can help, don't hesitate to ask (I've created an Openbox Fedora Remix so I know a bit). I would really enjoy contributing to the Xfce spin.
Please forgive me if my english is bad.
Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh
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What is looking good, is very different for person to person, so the most important is not the default theme, but the availability of extra themes and the tools to change these and they are good in Fedora Xfce. It is also important that the application don't look to different to other spins in Fedora, therefore i think that Adwaita is a good choice for a GTK 2+3 theme IMHO.
Tim
What is looking good, is very different for person to person, so the most important is not the default theme, but the availability of extra themes and the tools to change these and they are good in Fedora Xfce.
Indeed. The default theme is not the most important and we can't satisfy everybody. Adwaita is quite nice but with this theme Xfce looks like a 90's DE.
PersonallyI don't care, as I like minimalism and I do my own themes. But a good theme is a good showcase, more for a distro like Fedora which is innovative and all the thing.
That's only my point of view about audience and potential "market-share".
It is also important that the application don't look to different to other spins in Fedora, therefore i think that Adwaita is a good choice for a GTK 2+3 theme IMHO.
Looking vanilla, not Fedora. Example, KDE default theme (Oxygen, not Adwaita. Adwaita is purely a Gnome thing, not a Fedora one).
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 03:55:46 +0200 Alexandre Singh darthwound@gmail.com wrote:
Hi everyone :)
Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce Spin is great. But really not attractive. And I think that it's quite bad, as a lot of users will think that Xfce is obsolete and crappy because of this old theme.
What about using Greybird (Gtk+Xfwm) and Elementary-icons or Faenza-icons ? They are promoted by the Xfce project itself, and they are in our lovely official Fedora repositories.
For example, a screenshot of my actual desktop (but AwOkEn is used on the dock) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1342315963.png
And if I can help, don't hesitate to ask (I've created an Openbox Fedora Remix so I know a bit). I would really enjoy contributing to the Xfce spin.
Please forgive me if my english is bad.
Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh
it's looking good. I don't like the icons on the bottom bar, but I like the rest. There is no greybird for F-15, when I install the greybird theme (.tar) it does not look the same. Where did you get the wallpaper.
nomnex wrote :
it's looking good. I don't like the icons on the bottom bar, but I like the rest. There is no greybird for F-15, when I install the greybird theme (.tar) it does not look the same. Where did you get the wallpaper.
The bottom bar icons are Awoken, it's just for me, not included in the suggestion. Greybird theme for F-17 here, gtk2/gtk3/xfwm4/notifyd included.
And the wallpaper is the new Debian default wallpaper, "Joy", but modified by me with a Fedora logo. I simply asked to the creator if it was ok, and as this wallpaper is under GPL, it is ok :) If you want it, just ask me.
Am Sonntag, den 15.07.2012, 03:55 +0200 schrieb Alexandre Singh:
Hi everyone :)
Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce Spin is great. But really not attractive.
Please be so kind as to read through the archives of this list, the last month or the "How can we improve the spin?" should do. I think your questions have already been discussed there and if not, don't hesitate chime in to the old thread.
Kind regards, Christoph
I read it a few days ago. My questions were already been discussed, indeed. But I thought that pointing this topic with a new discussion was a quite good idea.
All what I try to say is, maybe a better looking Xfce spin would be more appealing. As I said previously, in my own case I really don't care. But a lot of users are looking after an alternative to Gnome3 (Gnome2 refugees for example) and I think that Xfce is the most valuable here. But a lot of users will be afraid when they'll see how old and "unfinished" is the default theme.
Kind regards :)
--- Christoph Wickert wrote :
Please be so kind as to read through the archives of this list, the last month or the "How can we improve the spin?" should do. I think your questions have already been discussed there and if not, don't hesitate chime in to the old thread.
Kind regards, Christoph
On 07/15/2012 05:13 PM, Alexandre Singh wrote:
I read it a few days ago. My questions were already been discussed, indeed. But I thought that pointing this topic with a new discussion was a quite good idea.
All what I try to say is, maybe a better looking Xfce spin would be more appealing. As I said previously, in my own case I really don't care. But a lot of users are looking after an alternative to Gnome3 (Gnome2 refugees for example) and I think that Xfce is the most valuable here. But a lot of users will be afraid when they'll see how old and "unfinished" is the default theme.
Kind regards :)
Hi Alexandre. The point is that it ain't really unfinished. The Adwaita theme is a standard for GTK themes. The same goes for the gnome icon theme, which is the one Fedora icon theme inherits. Granted, the icon theme can be somewhat incomplete but I think any missing icons are looked to be addressed.
Besides that, there's the pointless discussion of taste. Not to mention the frustration of a good looking desktop that doesn't work... And on top of that, take an Xfce distro that is made to 'look good': http://voyager.legtux.org/ That's simply completely out of question for many Xfce users (like me) ;-)
I understand :)
About Voyager, a design like this one is out of question for me too :D
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Hi Alexandre. The point is that it ain't really unfinished. The Adwaita theme is a standard for GTK themes. The same goes for the gnome icon theme, which is the one Fedora icon theme inherits. Granted, the icon theme can be somewhat incomplete but I think any missing icons are looked to be addressed.
Besides that, there's the pointless discussion of taste. Not to mention the frustration of a good looking desktop that doesn't work... And on top of that, take an Xfce distro that is made to 'look good': http://voyager.legtux.org/ That's simply completely out of question for many Xfce users (like me) ;-) _______________________________________________ xfce mailing list xfce@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce
Am Sonntag, den 15.07.2012, 22:13 +0200 schrieb Alexandre Singh:
I read it a few days ago. My questions were already been discussed, indeed. But I thought that pointing this topic with a new discussion was a quite good idea.
All what I try to say is, maybe a better looking Xfce spin would be more appealing.
Sure, we all agree on that, but we are not sure if Greybird is the way to go. I pointed out some usability issues and I prefer going with Bridge because * it's more restrained * it provides the same "corporate identity" as Adwaita/GNOME.
As I said previously, in my own case I really don't care. But a lot of users are looking after an alternative to Gnome3 (Gnome2 refugees for example) and I think that Xfce is the most valuable here.
I am trying to not repeat myself and I don't want to sound rude, but I'd like to emphasize that Xfce is *not* intended to be a GNOME clone. We not aiming to deliver the best desktop for GNOME 3 refugees but the best Xfce experience.
Whoever wants to help is welcome of course, so I appreciate your input.
Kind regards, Christoph
Christoph Wickert wrote :
I read it a few days ago. My questions were already been discussed, indeed. But I thought that pointing this topic with a new discussion was a quite good idea.
All what I try to say is, maybe a better looking Xfce spin would be more appealing.
Sure, we all agree on that, but we are not sure if Greybird is the way to go. I pointed out some usability issues and I prefer going with Bridge because * it's more restrained * it provides the same "corporate identity" as Adwaita/GNOME.
No problem, Greybird was just a suggestion among others :) I like Adwaita, and I loved the old Bluecurve setup.
As I said previously, in my own case I really don't care. But a lot of users are looking after an alternative to Gnome3 (Gnome2 refugees for example) and I think that Xfce is the most valuable here.
I am trying to not repeat myself and I don't want to sound rude, but I'd like to emphasize that Xfce is *not* intended to be a GNOME clone. We not aiming to deliver the best desktop for GNOME 3 refugees but the best Xfce experience.
Whoever wants to help is welcome of course, so I appreciate your input.
I apologize if I'm a bit annoying or whatever, my english is quite rusty so I can't explain completely what I want to explain. And be sure that I know and I agree about the fact that Xfce doesn't aims to be the best Gnome3 refugees desktop, but the best Xfce desktop. I run on Openbox, Awesome, other standalone WMs, and Xfce, so I'm not one of those refugees, even if I tried Gnome3 sometimes.
And as you say, I try to contribute to this spin. I have created a Fedora Remix but I would like to get involved into a more official project.
Kind regards, Christoph
Dear Christoph,
I read it a few days ago. My questions were already been discussed, indeed. But I thought that pointing this topic with a new discussion was a quite good idea.
All what I try to say is, maybe a better looking Xfce spin would be more appealing.
Sure, we all agree on that, but we are not sure if Greybird is the way to go. I pointed out some usability issues and I prefer going with Bridge because
clould you please explain, what you mean with 'Bridge'? Is it a theme/engine?
* it's more restrained * it provides the same "corporate identity" as Adwaita/GNOME.
Greets Marcus
Bridge is a theme like Adwaita Gtk2, Admod, Aldabra, etc...
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Bridge+%28Adwaita+3.x+GTK+2+port%29?c...
--- Marcus Moeller :
clould you please explain, what you mean with 'Bridge'? Is it a theme/engine?
Greets Marcus
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