[fab] Re: splash page + tracking image example

[Rob Garth]

I agree with Josh. But I agree with Max and Greg we need metrics now.

I have over 500 workstations running Fedora. They all run through a
proxy, so the IP method would not work. I run my own local yum
mirrors, and only one of the workstations talk to even my own yum
servers, and it doesn't look for mirrors, so the yum method would not
work. But then as most of my machines are built from a single image, a
firstboot method would not work anyway.

I think the discussion of how to report metrics correctly needs to
wait for another day, and for the moment Fedora needs to use yum, and
if possible the firefox metric as well.

Cheers,
Rob Garth.

On 10/6/06, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at jdub.homelinux.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-10-05 at 11:02 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
> > On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:
> >
> > > I don't believe we can.  In my opinion, we need *urgently* to start
> > > somewhere.  It's the difference between building a funding plan now and
> > > building it 6-9 months from now.
> >
> > This paragraph sums up my concern best.  Greg did a superb job of
> > elaborating the issues, so I won't prat on about it, but he is 100%
> > correct when he says that any significant Fedora funding decisions require
> > stronger metrics than we have been able to provide.
> >
> > Each day that we don't change that is a day in which we don't do anything
> > to help ourselves.
> >
> > So from a high level I can say something like "I don't want us to ship fc6
> > without having some way to track how many people are actually *using*
> > fc6".  The firefox idea was a good way to track "Desktop" users -- folks
> > who have installed X.
> >
> > Basically just counting unique IP addresses via yum is a good way to track
> > many different types of installations, basically people who are updating
> > regardless of their package set.
>
> No, it's not.  DHCP, NAT, proxies, etc. all make "unique" IP addresses a
> horrible metric.  In some cases, you get a single IP address for a
> number of different machines.  In others, you get two IP addresses for
> the same machine.
>
> Yes, counting IP addresses will give you a metric.  I just don't think
> that metric is good for much because you still don't know how many
> machines really have Fedora installed.  Is it better than nothing?  I
> don't know.
>
> josh
>
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