website mockups, what is fedora?
thomasj at fedoraproject.org
Sun Aug 23 15:55:56 UTC 2009
2009/8/23 Rahul Sundaram <sundaram at fedoraproject.org>:
> On 08/23/2009 08:25 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> 2009/8/21 Rahul Sundaram
>>> On 08/21/2009 08:07 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
>>>> But let's not get muddled in details.
>>>> Let me be brutally honest: withholding choice and options here and/or
>>>> diminishing kde's visibility *will* disenfranchise a lot of people.
>>>> We'll lose out PR-wise big time, especially in light of opensuse's
>>>> recent work that is largely perceived as doing right by the community.
>>>> Is that a price the board is willing to pay?
>>> Can't speak for the board but what opensuse did was go from trying to
>>> satisfy everybody (FAIL) to picking a default (right model). That
>>> actually seems to validate what Fedora is doing. The default is
>>> different because the community is different. Think about it.
>> Erm.. what openSUSE did was, leave everything as it is, but changed to
>> KDE as the default DE on the DVD. Means if you leave the installer at
>> the defaults, you get the KDE desktop instead of the GNOME one.
> How does this contradict anything I said? They simply didn't have any
> defaults before, for the past few releases and forced users to pick a
> desktop environment justifying it as "pro choice and pro freedom".
I cant see anything wrong at pro choice and especially not at pro
freedom. I have to boot my OS11-DVD again to be 100% sure, but IIRC
they had GNOME before. They changed it because they have something we
dont. openfate, a FeatureTracker where user can post their wishes and
*vote* for it. Anyways. What you said was "picking a default" is the
right model. And that wasn't what was done. Novell changed the default
Desktop from KDE to GNOME and now it's back, because the *community*
> Now they have realized that trying to satisfy everybody is a path to failure
> and picked what their community wanted as the default. Fedora has
> always had a default. Fedora got it right.
I cant completely agree with you here. I'm not saying that Fedora is
wrong with it, but the *how* is wrong. If you want to grow your
userbase, you have to listen to your community. If you don't do it,
don't wonder if it's not growing (i do understand that you can't
listen for every single peep). But if there is something bigger, you
should at least listen and take it seriously.
So if you've said openSUSE got it right (because they listen to the
community and of course take it seriously) i would agree.
But that's just the 2 cents of a proud KDE user.
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