Response to "Getting Fedora Out of the If-Then Loop"

Mike McGrath mmcgrath at
Thu Feb 18 19:02:05 UTC 2010

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, inode0 wrote:

> 2010/2/18 Máirín Duffy <duffy at>:
> > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 11:33 -0600, inode0 wrote:
> >> Isn't this an example of a false dichotomy? Our choice is not (a) have
> >> the board define a target audience for the default spin or (b) stare
> >> at our navels.
> >
> > No ... and I don't think the board is doing the work either. Have you
> > seen the page that some of us put together during the interaction design
> > hackfest a couple months or so back? We were making sure to interview
> > folks from each of the different groups within the entire Fedora
> > community and make sure their POV was accounted for as part of the
> > process.
> >
> > There's a whole methodology to the process, and it isn't just folks
> > meeting in a room and making a decision in isolation which saying 'the
> > board decides' seems to paint a picture of.
> Fair point. It does paint a false picture in that sense. But
> regardless of the process used once the FPB stamps a seal of approval
> on a target audience it will have a permanence that it doesn't have
> otherwise. The FPB can change it later but surely is not going to be
> eager to revisit this. That may be ok, what I think trickles from it
> might be what you find most valuable in it.
> >> What if there were spin guidelines similar to the packaging
> >> guidelines? You want to be a spin here are the things we need ... and
> >> this included a clear statement of the target audience of the spin.
> >> Would having that clear statement of the target audience solve your
> >> problems? This could be handled through FESCo oversight which seems
> >> the more logical place for it to me and it would remove my main
> >> concern.
> >
> > I think that's a good way to make sure the spins are better-defined, but
> > it avoids the choice of - 'what is Fedora'? When I go to a conference to
> > promote Fedora, must I bring copies of every single spin? If I don't
> > know what a spin is, and I'm struggling to grasp what exactly Fedora is,
> > what distro should I be handed at an event?
> >
> > Its the target audience definition for THAT which I think is of utmost
> > importance, and I think we need to be in alignment on as a community. I
> > think the board needs to make tough calls when necessary to make sure a
> > target audience is defined for that.
> You would use the target audience for the default spin as the target
> audience for that purpose.
> A secondary benefit of this in my mind is it creates a framework for
> competition among spins to be the default spin and that competition
> should promote technical improvements in the spins.

Why do you continue to pretend the default spin has a target audience?


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