Response to "Getting Fedora Out of the If-Then Loop"

Thomas Janssen thomasj at
Fri Feb 19 17:06:14 UTC 2010

2010/2/19 Máirín Duffy <duffy at>:
> On Fri, 2010-02-19 at 17:35 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote:
>> > 1) I am not a guy.
>> Looks like my english is really too bad. I thought you say that "you
>> guys" even with girls involved.
> That kind of language is generally accepted as being exclusionary -
> gender-neutral language is much preferred.
>> > 3) We're talking about a difference between 20+ Fedora folks working
>> > full-time on GNOME vs I believe 5 or less for each of the other
>> > desktops. As I said, these are not transferrable resources.
>> Get's me a picture of how awesome our works is.
> You miss the point.

No, you're just not able to see my point.

>> > Who said any developers were unwanted?
>> >
>> > What a logical leap!
>> Not at all. All you get back here is the impression you made.
>> But i see.
> I can't see how I possibly could have made that impression without
> pent-up angst on the part of the reader being mixed in.

Haha. Sorry if i laugh. Pent-up angst? I'm not afraid. Of nothing.

> The only people I see saying 'unwanted' 'pushed out' in this thread are
> the folks who are on alternate desktop spins side. I don't see that
> language being used by anyone else. I certainly didn't use it. I have no
> problem with alternative desktops. As a user experience practitioner,
> however, I have a big problem with the lack of focus we've historically
> had - it confuses potential new users and we lose them to the simplicity
> of other distros whose focus is more clear.

Beating a dead horse with always the same assumptions. I said it a
long time ago, if you hunt for the dumb, you will get the dumb.

> That being said, I along with sijis from the websites team personally
> invested a *ton* of time and effort into the
> redesign to make sure our spins look just as sexy as the default
> install. But go ahead, keep believing that I would rather the spins go
> away.

Nice try. I appreciated your work (of course the whole team) as well
as everybody else. All the pages are very well and finally modern

As i said to Josh Boyer. My english is way too bad to discuss that as
it could get discussed.
And i'm just  a small contributor. Though, i'm not afraid of any name
in the community and i just wanted to show you what impression you
made. If you like it or not ;)


LG Thomas

Dubium sapientiae initium

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