Response to "Getting Fedora Out of the If-Then Loop"

Jeff Spaleta jspaleta at
Fri Feb 19 21:16:03 UTC 2010

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik at> wrote:
> First I didn't want to touch this topic but I think I can now ;-) It's a good
> idea to have some target, something we can aim and something we can analyze
> after time if we met it or not. Not easy task in open source world. But the
> problem with this discussion is - it should be technology (in terms of
> different desktops, spins) agnostic! There's no reason why the default Fedora
> should be Gnome only, KDE only, LXDE only, server only or whatever super hyper
> cool technology only is but the aim should be to deliver best experience for
> users

There are real technical constraints associated with choosing what a
default will look like.
Every technology framework that you include eats disk space. We do
still care about livecd sized targets.

Every technology framework that you include is means a much more
complicated software development environment.  Both KDE and GNOME work
as a projects because they have a definable set of default APIs to
offer developers that establish the development platform is.  Fedora
can have the same thing if it makes hard choices about the boundaries
of the technologies in each spin so that each spin can essential be a
default development target.

-jef"It's nice to have choices... I can have tons of different
ingredients in my well stocked cupboard when I'm ready to make soup.
But I'm not going to throw everything in just because I have it. When
I have gazpacho on a warm summers day I don't throw in corn just
because I also like corn chowder  in the winter or chicken stock
because I chicken noodle when I'm sick.  I learned that lesson when I
was ten... putting everything you like all in one pot and stirring it
together doesn't mean the result is something you'll like even

 anyone developing for that system.
(developers, aliens, predators) . Yes, probably few purists from all
> sides would complain now but I think it's the only way how to be successful.
> These days integration between different projects is much more easier (DBus,
> specifications etc.) that I believe if we can communicate (and
> break all barriers) we can deliver best Fedora ever by picking best piece of
> software (and it's not only software). Interoperability is that strange word.
> And next to this Fedora, there could be standalone Gnome spin, KDE spin,
> server spin... Pure as glacier's water.
> Communication is currently the worst issue in Fedora community and it's
> crucial for open source to be successful. There should be no "I don't care
> about Gnome/KDE/server whatever" but "I care, let's do it!". We are all one
> community (I count even Ubuntu people :D). Do not play on your own small
> sandbox, do a revolution! ;-)
> Just my 1 CZK (full of cheap slogans) speaking as both Qt (KDE) and Gtk (s-c-
> config tools) Fedora developer ;-)
> Jaroslav
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