Response to "Getting Fedora Out of the If-Then Loop"

Jesse Keating jkeating at
Sat Feb 20 00:07:10 UTC 2010

On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 00:38 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 19.02.2010, 15:26 -0800 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> > On Sat, 2010-02-20 at 00:12 +0100, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > > Am Freitag, den 19.02.2010, 14:36 -0800 schrieb Jesse Keating:
> > > 
> > > > Desktop wasn't supposed to be a "spin".  Desktop is a live version of
> > > > part of what was on the DVD set.  KDE is the same thing, a live version
> > > > of some of what was on the DVD set.  They are not things /different/
> > > > from the DVD set, which is what the Spins are.  
> > > 
> > > So by that definition, how are LXDE and Xfce different from KDE or
> > > GNOME? The only difference is that they are not on the DVD, but they all
> > > are desktop environments with a collection of applications.
> > 
> > They are different because they are "spins".  They are things which are
> > more sig driven than project driven, 
> Same goes for KDE

Frankly, KDE is there because there would be a much bigger revolt if we
booted KDE from the DVD and made it a spin only.  It's also why KDE
never moved out of Core.

> > they are offered torrent only, 
> This is something I would like to see changed

Not likely to happen, given the increasing number/sizes of the spins
that get produced each release.

> > the
> > comprise packages mostly not found on the DVD / split media offering,
> This is something we should change too. Xfce and LXDE will only take
> another 30 MB on the DVD image.

We're already out of space on the DVD, and we keep having to trim other
things.  I'm not likely to add more desktop environments which make the
install experience from DVD even worse.  Particularly when we'd have to
trim something else off to get your bits on there, and then the next
bits from the next spin owner who's feeling marginalized.

> > they do not get full/any attention, they do not get full/any marketing
> > attention, they are not printed on media and handed out at events as
> > "Fedora", should I go on?
> No need to. It's nice to have somebody confirm my concerns.
> I think we both agree that it's difficult to define what a spin is. KDE
> shows us that it's difficult to draw a line.

KDE is a special case, you're right.  Trying to use KDE to define a spin
is hard.

Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
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