fedora community working group
duffy at fedoraproject.org
Thu Jul 8 05:02:44 UTC 2010
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 18:17 -0500, inode0 wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Paul Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote:
> > We do have quite a few people setting great examples out there. Both
> > Mr. Fenzi and Mr. Dieter are probably tired of being pointed out as
> > examples, but well... there you have it. ;-) And they've each been
> > operating that way for years now, which is a good reason why this
> > issue should be taken seriously.
> I agree with that 100% and I agree with Kevin's suggestion recently on
> his blog where he called for others to join him in trying to set a
> positive tone shifting those who don't to the fringe.
Here's the thing I really like about Kevin's blog suggestion  versus
a formalized code of conduct: Kevin's suggestion involves ACTION. Not
rules written down on paper - er, wiki. It involves actually doing it /
Maybe rather than a list of rules on what you should not do, then, have
a little guidebook / cookbook / whatever you'd like to call it, of
common sticky situations and recommended positive ways to respond to
'em. Maybe that is technically a code of conduct - perhaps a
non-traditional spin on one, though?
Certainly I've got a temper on mailing lists at times, and I would love
a nice reference as to how I really ought to be responding rather than
let the trigger finger itch win! It might be fun to illustrate the
reference guide,  hehe, in a clever way so people remember the best
way to handle situations. Anyway I think Kevin's list is a great start:
* "A negative reply to someone on a mailing list: Reply to the
orig poster with the positive answer you would have liked to
* "A poorly phrased, rude or condescending IRC reply to a
question: Reply to the orig poster with the better, positive
answer you would liked to have seen.
* "A post on the planet feed you find offensive, in poor taste or
disagree with: Post your own blog post with a positive reply.
How could this have been better? Whats something related that’s
* "A bugzilla bug with a rude or curt or bad reply on it. Add a
comment with the correct answer phrased in a nice positive way."
One situation I wanna know what to do in is, 'oops, your trigger finger
slipped, you were a jerk and you know it, now what?' :)
Anyway, how to get people to follow the suggestions, though? If x
mailing list is known for trouble, do we try to get a couple of 'good
karma planters' on the list? Maybe it's a better way than posing them as
hall monitors / enforcers? Or maybe - get folks to volunteer to sign a
pledge or something to do x number of good karma things in their
community interactions per week or something like that? Have some kind
of good karma drive during one particular month? Person who did the most
good karma things gets some cool recognition/prize?
I just like the notion of building up a nicer culture rather than
condemning the bad culture. Although boy does the bad piss me off at
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