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Jon Ciesla limb at
Fri Jul 23 19:05:54 UTC 2010

On 7/23/2010 1:59 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 10:53 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>> 2010/7/23 Máirín Duffy<duffy at>:
>>> I'm clearly quite biased but I trust Red Hat a lot more than I trust
>>> Google, as Google has done several things to me personally to completely
>>> lose my trust while Red Hat goes out of its way to do things the right
>>> way.
>> I don't disagree with you. I'm biased too. But we can't build a policy
>> that encodes..bias. We have to build a policy that puts vendors on an
>> equal footing.
> Do we really?
> If I need a cake for a party, and my mom is a baker, is it really cool
> to put her work on equal footing with other bakers in the area? When,
> you know, I wouldn't be alive without her? And she'll bake my cake for
> free?
> I think impartiality here is a myth. Red Hat is part of Fedora's family.
> I feel that if you try to encode equality between Red Hat and some
> random vendor into policy, you're going to fail so why bother?
By the same token, when you're looking for a
>>   We can still have meta arguments and make judgement
>> calls about choosing particular vendors based on track record. I
>> certainly don't intend to take intrastructure's or the board's power
>> to say we trust vendor X over vendor Y because a track record of
>> performance or unquantifiable on a case by case basis.
>> But in the scope of this discussion about crafting policy we need to
>> treat all vendors..neutrally to be credible. Red Hat can't be thought
>> of as exceptional in the lens of policy on external service providers.
> Why not?
> I think any service provider that is part of Fedora's family and
> supports Fedora should be considered over other vendors. E.g., we have
> various hosting sponsors for our website that we have rotating banner
> ads for. Certainly I'd like to see us supporting those businesses over
> say Google.
What other organizations would fall into this category?  While I don't 
necessarily disagree, I'm curious if any share the same level of public 
mental association with Fedora that RH has.
>>   If anything we have to continually hold Red Hat to a more exacting
>> standard as a hedge against bias with the knowledge and the trust that
>> Red Hat is committed to meeting the standard of performance this
>> project puts forward.
> Why?
> ~m
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