[Ambassadors] Red Hat's investments (was Re: Going passive)

Jesse Keating jkeating at redhat.com
Wed Nov 24 19:11:43 UTC 2010

On 11/24/2010 10:03 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> ----- "Jesse Keating" <jkeating at redhat.com> wrote:
>> "Be excellent to each other" came from the original policy of "Don't
>> be
>> a jackass".  But some thought "Don't be a jackass" was too crass, and
>> thus an alternative was proposed, with a touch of humor.  Clearly
>> that's
>> lost on many, and is too specific a cultural thing.
>> "Don't be a jackass" might be easier to understand.
> This behavior is unacceptable[1].
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#Be_Courteous
> -- Bob

Bob, I appreciate what you're trying to do here.  You don't like the
policy, particularly when the policy is directed at you.  So now you're
taking every opportunity to poke everybody in the eye with the policy.
It's a fairly common reaction, and a major reason why there was so much
debate about having a policy in the first place (and about having hall
monitors).  It's pretty well known that when a policy exists, people
will abuse it on purpose, or push the edges of the policy whenever
possible.  We see it on mailing lists, we see it on IRC, we even see it
in bugzilla.

So I see what you are doing here, and I respectfully ask you to stop.
Healthy respectful debate regarding a code of conduct is fine, and even
encouraged.  However in my opinion, the behavior you're following here
is not helping your case.

And in case it wasn't clear from my original email, I was not calling
you a jackass.  I was merely stating the history of the policy.  If the
word itself offends you, I apologize.  In this case I made a judgment
call to use the word as it was used in the past while debating a code of
conduct, and to illustrate why a different phrase was used.

Jesse Keating
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