proposal to make free the logo of Fedora

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at
Fri Sep 17 17:38:31 UTC 2010

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 09:23, inode0 <inode0 at> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Jon Masters <jonathan at> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-09-15 at 17:21 +0200, René Mérou wrote:
>>> I understood something now that i did not knew before: The trademark is not in
>>> the hands and decision of the community.  Its in the hands of the enterprise.
>>> I'm not telling that's a bad thing or a good thing.  Its just i did not
>>> understood that before. In this situation i would propose the same of you, to
>>> create a new logo 100% free for the use of the community.
>> Let's make something clear, though. Even if the community makes a "free"
>> logo, it isn't going to be able to allow just any use of it, if it wants
>> that logo to have legal protection.
> But it doesn't want it to have that legal protection. The folks who
> want it see value in a free logo that outweighs the possible negative
> consequences. If we can adequately function without control of what
> people naturally assume would be our domain name and if we can
> function with another software related organization also using the
> name Fedora I personally don't see great danger from a free logo.
> There is a reasonable case to be made on both sides of this.

Actually we have some control of "what people naturally assume would
be our domain name" in what is considered to be "legal" for trademark
enforcement. If the other websites were to advertise with our "mark"
and our "market" then we would have enforcement potential. If they do
not, then we do not.

> Just as an aside, does the Fedora Project need a sign-off on creating
> such a free mark from Red Hat legal? Or are we just asking for such a
> sign-off to be cooperative with the good work Red Hat legal provides
> our community and because we value their position on the relative
> weight to give to the benefits of such a logo vs. the dangers legally
> and with respect to brand dilution?

I would say it depends on what is legally defined entity known as
"The Fedora Project" means. It depends on the difference between "The
Fedora Project" versus "The Fedora Community" in todays laws versus
what the Internet has made such things. It would depend on what
legally is looked at trademark infringement and trademark
weakening/loss. It would depend on a bunch of legal factors in each of
the countries areas that the current trademarks (Name, Image, etc etc)
are considered registered.

It also depends on who "we" means in your sentences above. It is not
clearly defined so does that mean "You and Rene", "people unamed", the
"royal we", or some other group.

All of those things matter whether a person or set of people who
define themselves as  a community do not care about them.

> John
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