Fwd: Re: [Fedora Board issue tracker] #135: Connotations Problems with Beefy Miracle

[Rajesh Ranjan]

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Subject: 	Re: [Fedora Board issue tracker] #135: Connotations Problems 
with Beefy Miracle
Date: 	Fri, 23 Mar 2012 11:13:09 -0000
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#135: Connotations Problems with Beefy Miracle
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  Reporter:  rajesh                               |       Owner:  somebody
      Type:  task                                 |      Status:  new
  Priority:  major                                |   Milestone:
Component:  Fedora Project                       |  Resolution:
  Keywords:  Connotations, Fedora 17, Beefy       |  Blocked By:
   Miracle                                        |
  Blocking:                                       |
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Comment (by pbrobinson):

  Replying to [comment:3 rajesh]:
  >  Replying to [comment:1 cwickert]:
  >  >  Preface: I am a vegetarian myself, but I am a supporter of Beefy
  Miracle. Beefy Miracle has a 10 year history in Red Hat and Fedora. It
  first appeared in Red Hat Linux 7.3 which was released in May 2002 and I
  think it's great that Fedora 17 marks the 10 anniversary of both RHL 7.3
  (one of the best releases ever) and Beefy Miracle.
  >
  >  If just simply a name, I have no such objection as well. Personally I
  and my wfie are pure veg but my son of 10 yrs eats everything...I have no
  objection what he should eat. Personal is personal. Again, I am just
  pointing it out to understand the process of connotation analysis and why
  we should add a process like this in our name selection process to make
  the naming more acceptable. And here I insist that the whole points I am
  raising here is nothing to do with just my personal belief system.
  >
  >  >
  >  >  Replying to [ticket:135 rajesh]:
  >  >  >  Beefy Miracle is having a huge negative cultural, social, and
  political connotation with respect to India and several religions of India
  and world.
  >  >
  >  >  Fedora is an international, non-religious and non-political project.
  The name "Beefy Miracle" was chosen by our contributors and I am afraid
  that if we let our international community vote, we will always upset some
  regions, ideologies, regions or just people, even if it is certainly not
  our intention.
  >  >
  >
  >  I know and I am also proud to be a Fedora user and contributor. I also
  share same views about Fedora. But since it is an international project so
  it has more responsibility associated with its freedom. Voting is good but
  number can be the only game changer then it is a chance that one majority
  community belonging to some special culture can come in a position that
  can make them behave like an autocrats very unitentinally. So some checks
  are required. Just imagine if we know that the xyz name is the popular
  choice, but at the same time the xyz is having potential to be a
  connotationaly wrong choice, then we can tell the voter that the name
  might be good but unintentinally we can hurt some group, so why not choose
  some different one. I believe that our community is having great openness
  and they respect the diversity issue.

  While it's not ideal naming for a number of regions of our community the
  time to highlight this as an issue is during the call for names for the
  release by putting a note against the proposed name, or at the very least
  when it comes up to be voted upon. Ultimately if there was so many people
  against it I wonder why those concerned didn't step in and vote against it
  to ensure it wouldn't be a problem, or in the very least register their
  concern once it was announced. Looking at the results [1] there's not that
  much difference between the top two so I doubt it would have taken too
  much effort to rally the those concerned with it that have valid FAS
  accounts to vote Liege up and Beefy Miracle down so this would never have
  been an issue. The results were announced in early October, that was over
  4 months ago, while it's unfortunate it's also a long time to wait to
  escalate this issue.

  [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/results/relnamef17

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