[Fedora-ambassadors-list] Are we in a state of Chaos?

[Robert Whetsel]

+1 Alex

This is a waste of everyones time, I have spent the last hour going over these
treads. And for what? Nothing! None of us have time to nitpick over minor
issues. Pick a project, lend a hand if it is not what you think it should be
research the issues on how you can help and offer a solution. And, before you
blow things out of proportion, try to look at the bigger picture. The fact that
I am writing this and coding really pisses me off. I get paid when I work, not
when I waste time on useless threads!    

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Quoting Alex Maier <lxmaier at gmail.com>:

> I am a doer, and I do not see a point in arguing about this whole
> issue, instead of knowcking out some useful document for a newbie who
> has questions about Fedora. Instead, discussions like this keep
> surfacing, taking everyone's time, without any constructive output.
> 
> I am moving to close this discussion--nobody from the Marketing group
> has complained yet that our activities have encroached on their
> project. The moment they do, I will be sure to sort this out.
> 
> For the time being, let us concentrate on getting the message out to the
> masses.
> Over and out.
> a
> 
> On 4/21/06, Patrick W. Barnes <nman64 at n-man.com> wrote:
> > On Friday 21 April 2006 15:20, "Alex Maier" <lxmaier at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 4/21/06, Clair Shaw <clair at freehold.no-ip.info> wrote:
> > > > > Ambassadors project is what the Ambassadors make it--as long as it
> > > > > does not contradict with the Aims and the Mission.
> > > > > a
> > > >
> > > > Ok.. what's the difference between Ambassadors and Marketing?
> > >
> > > fedora-marketing-list is a discussion list, people talk there, but do
> > > not get stuff done, according to my experience.
> > >
> > > fedora-ambassadors-list however is a project, with a steering
> > > committee and a budget, that gets things done by supporting individual
> > > Ambassadors' initiatives.
> > >
> >
> > Fedora Ambassadors was given 100% focus after it was created.  That is the
> > reason that Marketing has become what it now is.  It *used* to get things
> > done.  It *used* to be lively, complete with meetings (which were promptly
> > dissolved and replaced with Ambassadors meetings) and several major
> > milestones (including formation of the Ambassadors program) achieved.  The
> > fact that management neglected it horribly does not change the purposes of
> > each of Ambassadors and Marketing.  The close timing between when the
> > Community Marketing Contacts idea arose and when the management of
> Marketing
> > was handed off was unfortunate.
> >
> > It is highly inappropriate for the Ambassadors program to extend its reach
> > into projects that are not within its scope.  I have no objection to
> > Ambassadors having its own sub-projects, nor with status updates being
> > provided by members of other projects, but the Ambassadors program must
> know
> > where to draw the line.  Fracturing can occur if ambassadors fail to
> > acknowledge what items belong to what projects.
> >
> > A more fair statement of what is within the Ambassadors scope would be
> "all
> > items which meet the stated mission and goals of the Fedora Ambassadors
> > program and do not conflict with any other existing Fedora project."
> > Attempts to extend beyond that scope will only cause problems for the
> > Ambassadors program and for the Fedora Project.
> >
> > As a side note, fedora-france.org stands quite well on its own as a
> community
> > resource, just like projetofedora.org and others.  They don't need to be
> > pulled into the Ambassadors umbrella, but every bit of exposure will help
> > them.
> >
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