[Ambassadors] Fedora EMEA e.v. (was Re: What Fedora makes sucking ...)

[Robert M. Albrecht]

Hi,

maybe I'm a silly Fedora fanboy :-) But I like Fedora.

I don't use it for daily work, most time I spend on my Apple.

But I really like toying around with the newest technology and toys. And I 
think that is exactly Fedoras purpose. If it crashes or an update kills 
yum, so what ?

Let`s be honest: Fedora releases are really only installable 
Rawhide-snapshots. And Rawhide is supposed to eat your babys. If someone 
needs a stable system he should use CentOS or RHEL or Ubuntu.

But to Robert: yes, Fedora did loose a lot of users (at least in my 
surroundings) as the last Fedora releases really had a lot of problems, 
even for bleeding edge users. That really is bad :-(

Today I returned from the third Secure Linux Administration Conference, and 
there was only one Fedora user. Even my laptop did run on Ubuntu, as the 
appliction I was giving a lecture on is written in Java and does not even 
start on F10. But tomorrow I will reinstall Fedora, as Ubuntu is boring :-)

And the Fedora marketing is great. Did you see this:

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=fedora+plymouth

If you search for Fedora and Plymouth, the first hit is a Ubuntu-Brainstorm 
link "We want Plymouth!".

Isn't that great? 10 years ago only Microsoft could sell unfinished 
software to customers :-)

cu romal


Am 12.12.2008 0:54 Uhr, schrieb Robert Scheck:
> Hello Gerold,
>
> On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Gerold wrote:
>> To be honest; I don?t want to keep this discussion away from the ML
>> because THIS is only PART and DECISSION by the emembers of Fedora EMEA
>> e.V. and not a topic which must discussed here in the "Ambassadors world";
>> ...
>
> Sorry, but there I still don't really agree with you. The Fedora EMEA e.V.
> was founded in order to support the Fedora Project and also the activities
> of the Fedora Project including its ambassadors, right?
>
> Unluckily we somehow missed to have a more deep linking between Fedora EMEA
> e.V. and the Fedora Project inside of the NPO statutes, but we should solve
> this with the next membership meeting. Yes, the NPO stands somehow for its
> alone, but as we're still under the Fedora umbrella, we should get linking
> also using the legal way inside of our statutes.
>
>> And, Christoph, Robert and all other, I feel and see this "discussions"
>> and "complains" very, very, very personall because I was one of the power
>> to found that NPO.
>
> We also had a personal talk about this yesterday during dinner. I of course
> can understand, that you're supporting the NPO with heart and soul, but you
> please should not treat every critics against yourself. The points claimed
> here are not to blame you as person, it's because I care...as Christoph
> pointed out already in another mail. Nobody is perfect, mistakes or unlucky
> things can happen, stuff can get forgotten and that includes also the board
> of Fedora EMEA e.V. Please try to take the critics not against you personal
> as I also told you during our talk - that would make me more happy.
>
>
> Greetings,
>    Robert
>
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