[Famsco-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Ambassadors list

[wonderer]

Paul W. Frields schrieb:
> On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:55 +0200, Francesco Ugolini wrote:
>   
>> 2008/9/12 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
>>     
>>> I have a question for FAMSCo:  Can someone who is a well-known and
>>> active Fedora contributor join the fedora-ambassadors-list, without
>>> having to take on yet more Ambassador duties?
>>>       
My question as a normal Ambassador is "why"? If we do so, then I please 
want also the Mails from the Contributors List, from the board and 
internals also ;-)
If a Contributor wants to be an Ambassodor its Ok, but with all 
"policys" there are. If I want also to be a Contributor or a maintainer 
or whatever I also have "something to do for it".
>> Actually the requirement to became a Fedora-Ambassadors list member is
>> to be in the Ambassadors Account System group.
>>
>> I think your argumentations are reasonable and personally I agree with
>> those one: surely they could be used to start a great discussion over
>> this proposal.
>>
>> 1 .The main problem we would face could be resumed in this question:
>> why someone who isn't in the Ambassadors group could be in Ambassadors
>> list and someone else can't? If we accept people that aren't member of
>> Ambassadors list, other people could ask why they can't etc... The
>> natural conclusion would be: open Ambassadors List or maintain it
>> closed.
>>     
If open, then ALL open. But I did not think that will be good longtime.
>> 2. I know there are a lot of Fedora Contributors interested joining
>> the discussion over Fedora Events, and it's not correct to let them
>> out of the discussion. I think FAmSCo could discuss about open the
>> list only to Account System members.
>> But, just another problem: it would be necessary a way to simplify M-L
>> administrators work, in fact Joerg (our list administrator) is working
>> hard trying to manage new requests, checking who is in the AS group
>> etc..
>>     
Ack on working hard. But with more help it will be easier I think.
>> Personally I could say one thing: Everyone in Fedora Project is an
>> Ambassador, Ambassadors Project itself it's aimed to simplify people
>> work, giving them resources etc.
>>
>> Starting from Sunday we will able to release an update in the new
>> Memebership policy, and I can assure it will simplify the process to
>> join the Project.
>>
>>
>>     
So, if somebody gets a FAS Account somebody can also join the 
Ambassadors... or other SIGs or so...
>
> I believe the fedora-ambassadors-list benefits far more by opening the
> list completely.  This accomplishes several things:
>
> * Reduces overhead for moderators like Joerg
> * Increases cross-project collaboration
> * As Karsten noted, promotes a wider labor pool for getting involved
>   
I do not see the point also at this description. If we want a small 
amount of structures to get better quality we have to do some 
Administrative stuff. If this means some people like Joerg and others 
have work to do my personal thought is "hell, thanks this man for doing 
such increadible work".
Mailinglists are a Tool, a piece of software to help for one area or one 
project. cross-projects can be build for small projects as a wikipage or 
an irc-channel. The postings of a list are on the web (e.g. 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-September/msg00291.html 
) so, everybody - also the normal user - can contact the author and can 
make comments. He (or she) can also ask him to send his request to the list.
My personal opinion is that I see at this time no reason to open a list 
at this way. But there may be some more reasons i did not get so far...
> Some additional recommendations that came from other people to me in
> private email:
>
> * Remove "[Ambassadors]" from the subject line, since it's not needed.
>   
I need it ;-)
I sort so wich I when read.
> * Add more moderators so that Joerg doesn't have to carry the whole
> load.  There are others listed, but they are apparently inactive.
> Having more moderators is not usually harmful.
THATS a good idea I think.


best regards
Henrik