[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-04-21

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(08:00:16 PM) inode0: FAmNA Meeting Time
(08:00:26 PM) ***lcafiero cheers DemonJester
(08:00:31 PM) inode0: rollcall with wikilink please
(08:00:32 PM) lcafiero: am I on time?
(08:00:43 PM) ***lcafiero stars as larry cafiero
(08:00:52 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: no- you were here early
(08:01:01 PM) ke4qqq: [[David Nalley| User:ke4qqq]]
(08:01:17 PM) lcafiero: Oh, wikilink
(08:01:32 PM) lcafiero: [[Larry Cafiero|User:lcafiero]]
(08:01:43 PM) DemonJester: [[Brian Powell|User:bpowell01]]
(08:01:55 PM) ninjazjb_: Jason Brown|jasonbrown17
(08:01:59 PM) lcameron_: [[Leigh Cameron|User:lcamero]]
(08:02:01 PM) ke4qqq: hmmmm wonder if that's right?
(08:02:10 PM) inode0: .wikilink inode0
(08:02:11 PM) zodbot: inode0: [[User:inode0|John T. Rose]]
(08:02:22 PM) ke4qqq: hah I knew I had it wrong!
(08:02:24 PM) lcafiero: showoff
(08:02:25 PM) lcameron_: Hacks!
(08:02:32 PM) DemonJester: we were just following you :)
(08:02:54 PM) inode0: well, it was a nice thought
(08:02:59 PM) dthomasdigital: inode0 I'm here just let me know when
you need me to chime in.
(08:03:32 PM) inode0: Announcements?
(08:03:41 PM) herlo: .fas herlo
(08:03:41 PM) zodbot: herlo: herlo 'Clint Savage' <herlo1 at gmail.com>
(08:04:02 PM) leitz: .fas leitz
(08:04:03 PM) lcafiero: LFNW is this weekend. Watch for Larry the
Fedora Guy blogs for daily updates starting tomorrow.
(08:04:03 PM) zodbot: leitz: leam 'Leam Hall' <leam at reuel.net>
(08:04:09 PM) inode0: wikilink is a lot more helpful
(08:04:22 PM) ***leitz mostly lurking tonight.
(08:04:34 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting - Announcements
(08:04:35 PM) DemonJester: Went to Barcamp Rochester this past Sat.
with Karlie report will be posted tomorrow
(08:04:49 PM) ke4qqq: DemonJester: cool
(08:05:38 PM) inode0:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-04-21 <---
agenda
(08:06:02 PM) dthomasdigital: I gave a presentation April 16, 2009 Las
Cruces, NM - Southwest Regional Technology Symposium those guys
gobbled up the fedora stuff
(08:06:29 PM) herlo has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting - Agenda
available: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-04-21
(08:06:49 PM) lcafiero: Um, I added an item to the agenda this
afternoon around 4 and it doesn't seem to be there.
(08:07:13 PM) inode0: it is there
(08:07:13 PM) lcafiero: Oh wait, it is. Never mind.
(08:07:23 PM) ***lcafiero sits down and awaits the pointy cap.
(08:08:02 PM) ke4qqq: spevack said he was going to attend
(08:08:06 PM) ke4qqq: but.....don't see him on
(08:08:14 PM) inode0: yeah, I'm stalling
(08:08:19 PM) crossbytes: ?
(08:08:20 PM) ke4qqq: and I understand he is either traveling to or in raleigh
(08:08:30 PM) inode0: should be in raleigh
(08:09:05 PM) inode0: but unless there is other event business we are
ready to begin budget stuff
(08:09:38 PM) ***inode0 can report that jds2001 was pleased with the NYLUG event
(08:09:48 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:10:09 PM) ke4qqq: whats with NYLUG?? how was turn out - I must
have missed the event report jds2001
(08:10:30 PM) inode0: I haven't seen a report beyond a quick chat about it
(08:10:33 PM) ***ke4qqq has an event report in the hopper that'll
hopefully make it out tomorrow
(08:11:06 PM) inode0: ok, let's begin budget stuff
(08:11:21 PM) inode0: we have a number of things in the pipeline
(08:11:32 PM) inode0: dthomasdigital: want to start us off with case badges
(08:11:47 PM) dthomasdigital: Sure
(08:12:31 PM) dthomasdigital: I'm still working ion the artwork to
make sure it's official should be done tomorrow and will have it sent
to Duffy for approval
(08:12:57 PM) ke4qqq: what's cost??
(08:13:00 PM) herlo: dthomasdigital: I can help you with that if
needed, I am on the art team.
(08:13:01 PM) ke4qqq: and quantity?
(08:13:36 PM) dthomasdigital: herlo I'll take you up on that, I'll
send it to you first before I send it to Duffy
(08:14:29 PM) herlo: dthomasdigital: k, use your fedorapeople account,
that's what it's there for :)
(08:14:47 PM) herlo: dthomasdigital: tell ke4qqq how many :)
(08:14:55 PM) herlo: and how much
(08:15:22 PM) dthomasdigital: Cost is $455.00 for 500   $520.00 for
1000   Plus a one time set up fee of $95.00
(08:15:58 PM) inode0: did the bigger quantity quote come in? guessing
it didn't ...
(08:16:24 PM) ke4qqq: k
(08:16:28 PM) inode0: the marginal cost for the 2nd 500 is nothing
(08:16:33 PM) ke4qqq: yep
(08:16:38 PM) dthomasdigital: $600.00 for 1500    $680.00 for 2000
(08:16:38 PM) DemonJester: Are they glossed? (protective covering in
other words)
(08:16:40 PM) ke4qqq: I am curious how much even more are
(08:16:51 PM) dthomasdigital: Yes they are protected
(08:16:54 PM) inode0: since the initial cost is steep I'm leaning
toward going as big as we can
(08:17:19 PM) dthomasdigital: and these are aluminum
(08:17:27 PM) ke4qqq: thickness?
(08:17:27 PM) leitz: Once the initial cost is paid for the first
order, does it have to be redone for a second order?
(08:17:36 PM) DemonJester: 2000 is a pretty small order considering
they will be reusable.
(08:17:38 PM) dthomasdigital: No it's a one time fee
(08:17:49 PM) inode0: leitz: yes, but not the setup fee
(08:17:57 PM) herlo: DemonJester: reusable?
(08:18:01 PM) inode0: the cost of 500 more would likely still be $455
(08:18:07 PM) DemonJester: from release to release
(08:18:25 PM) DemonJester: herlo: ^^^^
(08:18:52 PM) inode0: we haven't decided how many at this point, but
I'd like to go as big as we can :)
(08:18:55 PM) ke4qqq: dthomasdigital: not to heep more work on you,
but find out what 5k costs
(08:19:09 PM) crossbytes: reusable? I think u answered my question..
from release to release
(08:19:10 PM) ke4qqq: if it's less than 1000 we should do that
(08:19:17 PM) herlo: DemonJester: ahh, okay
(08:19:18 PM) ke4qqq: IMO
(08:19:22 PM) DemonJester: inode0: I agree, I get requests for these
all of the time
(08:19:25 PM) inode0: looks like about $80/500
(08:19:55 PM) ***herlo wants some +1s for the 2000 in quantity ($680)
(08:20:26 PM) dthomasdigital: +1 and no problem getting a quote on 5000
(08:20:28 PM) DemonJester: +1 for the 2000@$680 but would like higher qty..
(08:20:30 PM) ***inode0 wants larger options but would +1 2000 if that
is my only choice
(08:20:38 PM) ke4qqq: I'll give you a +1 for 2000, provided he tries
for getting 5000 for 1000 bucks
(08:20:45 PM) crossbytes: +1
(08:20:50 PM) leitz: +1 for larger
(08:21:03 PM) lcafiero: I agree +1, but I'm also interested in a higher number.
(08:21:06 PM) ke4qqq: 5000 is nothing IMO - well burn that in no time
(08:21:16 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: I totally agree
(08:21:56 PM) dthomasdigital: Just sent an email requesting a quote
for 5000 units.
(08:21:56 PM) herlo: do we know how much those are?
(08:22:04 PM) herlo: dthomasdigital: add 10k too
(08:22:19 PM) inode0: we can't afford 10k I'm sure this quarter
(08:22:22 PM) dthomasdigital: herlo you read my mind
(08:22:38 PM) herlo: inode0: well, if I can't get the rest of the
stuff done before eoq we sure can
(08:22:44 PM) herlo: and I'm really struggling...
(08:22:54 PM) inode0: we have other items in the queue too
(08:22:58 PM) inode0: but ok
(08:23:08 PM) herlo: inode0: true, but I was looking to spend about $1k
(08:23:18 PM) herlo: not including media :)
(08:23:21 PM) inode0: since others aren't present let me discuss
tattoos and pens
(08:23:28 PM) leitz: on 10K, maybe split payment so we can see the
quality and the vendor gets an advantage.
(08:23:53 PM) inode0: tattoos are mostly ready to go pending art
approval - design is in place
(08:24:08 PM) DemonJester: link?
(08:24:10 PM) ke4qqq: they have TM mark?
(08:24:13 PM) ke4qqq: link?
(08:24:25 PM) inode0: basically powered by fedora tattoos changed to
be empowered by fedora
(08:24:55 PM) inode0: nicu provided art that is being modified to meet
necessary requirements
(08:25:52 PM) ke4qqq: while I really like nicus work, I also want to
see the art before we spend the money
(08:25:57 PM) ***inode0 looks for link
(08:26:26 PM) inode0:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/pngSzYYTMEBc9.png
(08:27:06 PM) inode0: so the price on 5000 of these runs only in the
neighborhood of $300, I requested a quote for 10K on them
(08:27:09 PM) ke4qqq: no TM there...
(08:27:19 PM) lcameron_: +1 I like that
(08:27:20 PM) ke4qqq: but I like the design
(08:27:22 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: don't worry, this isn't final art - just
the design
(08:27:27 PM) ninjazjb_: looks good
(08:27:35 PM) lcafiero: This is for the tattoo?
(08:27:39 PM) inode0: yes
(08:27:41 PM) dthomasdigital:  empowered by fedora slogan rules
(08:27:45 PM) ke4qqq: so two questions - is the white really going to be white?
(08:27:51 PM) ke4qqq: or just clear?
(08:27:58 PM) ke4qqq: and thats my two questions :)
(08:28:10 PM) ***DemonJester would prefer something more tribal but
that is because I already have a few of the real deal ;)
(08:28:18 PM) inode0: I don't know, nicu requested details and I
haven't heard back on them
(08:29:05 PM) inode0: but that can all be worked out - for the budget
I'm more concerned about pricing tonight
(08:29:30 PM) inode0: I see no problem approving the 5000 in any event
(08:29:39 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: clear
(08:30:05 PM) ***inode0 would not like the f to be clear
(08:30:06 PM) ke4qqq: well 1. I don't think that will cut it with logo
guidelines and 2. white is offered for free by most places
(08:30:16 PM) ***ke4qqq wouldn't wither
(08:30:19 PM) ke4qqq: either
(08:30:23 PM) ke4qqq: or the fedora name
(08:30:28 PM) inode0: nope
(08:30:32 PM) ***herlo thinks clear would be cool (except for the f)
(08:30:44 PM) herlo: and clear would work in that situation
(08:30:44 PM) ***lcafiero agrees with herlo
(08:31:12 PM) DemonJester: to be honest I think white would make it
look like nothing more than a sticker
(08:31:24 PM) dthomasdigital: My son just told me he's ready for his
fedora tattoo, (his 11) so they are all ready popular.
(08:31:37 PM) herlo: in fact, the tm might not even be a requirement
because 1) it wears off 2) it's so small, it'll smudge quickly and 3)
nobody will be able to tell what it is anyway
(08:31:45 PM) inode0: well, if we just used the fedora logo as
originally planned it would just look like a sticker too
(08:32:28 PM) ***herlo also argues that the stickers I was working on
a while back had the tm on the sticker paper, but wouldn't when
removed.  mizmo was *ok* with that.
(08:32:43 PM) inode0: yes, that is fine
(08:32:55 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: mo gave us some options for getting
around it, and that wasn't one of them.  - the absent when
applied/removed from paper worked ok with her
(08:33:13 PM) ninjazjb_: if there is no white, will the blue outline
smudge faster?
(08:33:48 PM) inode0: let's discuss this with davdunc later, he is
doing this and is not present here
(08:34:09 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: right
(08:34:15 PM) ***lcafiero has some of those stickers, I think. They're
about 3" in diameter, execpt for where it teardrops at the bottom?
(08:34:32 PM) ke4qqq: I have some of the FF tats
(08:34:34 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: the options for getting around the
stickers seems to apply to the tattoos...
(08:34:37 PM) ke4qqq: and iirc they are 2x2
(08:34:44 PM) ke4qqq: herlo: yep
(08:35:00 PM) herlo: k, the first part of your statement was confusing :/
(08:35:03 PM) ***inode0 doesn't care about the TM, if the TM police
want them we'll add them :)
(08:35:13 PM) herlo: right
(08:35:16 PM) herlo: +1
(08:35:16 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:35:16 PM) inode0: we don't have a ruling now
(08:36:09 PM) ke4qqq: ok - well +1 for moving forward then
(08:36:11 PM) inode0: next are pens being investigated by several
people including maxamillion
(08:36:15 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:36:44 PM) inode0: bic click stick pens with fedora branding on the
barrel and clip seem to run about $300/1000
(08:37:25 PM) inode0: thoughts or comments on pens?
(08:37:39 PM) ***jds2001 here, late
(08:37:47 PM) lcafiero: I just got back from the MySQL conference and
have about 50 pens. They're always useful.
(08:38:12 PM) jds2001: lcafiero: s/conference/funeral :(
(08:38:15 PM) ke4qqq: -1 to pens
(08:38:16 PM) lcafiero: I like the idea of Fedora pens
(08:38:32 PM) leitz: Pens--space out swag, Case badges this quarter,
maybe pens the next.
(08:38:39 PM) ke4qqq: I don't - I keep my fedora pen as a showpiece,
but don't use it.
(08:38:40 PM) ***lcafiero nods at jds2001 -- right, pretty somber event today.
(08:38:56 PM) lcameron_: I think pens are over done... I have tons of
promo pens from lan parties
(08:38:58 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: the postgres people seemed pretty happy :)
(08:39:05 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:39:47 PM) inode0: well, case badges and stickers are overdone too
but that doesn't stop us
(08:40:06 PM) inode0: swag is limited
(08:40:16 PM) lcafiero: that may be lcameron_ but I think they're
still good to have available, imho
(08:40:22 PM) inode0: pens are one of the few sorts of swag that have
an actual use
(08:41:02 PM) ke4qqq: tshirts have a use
(08:41:07 PM) ke4qqq: stickres have a use
(08:41:12 PM) ke4qqq: pins have a use
(08:41:16 PM) ke4qqq: :)
(08:41:22 PM) inode0: ke4qqq: your objection to pens is what?
(08:41:42 PM) lcafiero: those stress balls in the shape of penguins
have a use (got some today)
(08:41:46 PM) ke4qqq: that they are overdone - that to be effective
they are always 'cheap'
(08:41:52 PM) inode0: tshirts fill drawers
(08:42:00 PM) ke4qqq: I wear fedora shirts all the time
(08:42:25 PM) inode0: I use pens all the time, I wear tshirts on occasion
(08:42:34 PM) ninjazjb_: mouse pads?
(08:43:03 PM) ke4qqq: I'd rather see us do hats than pens....but I'll
shut up now
(08:43:06 PM) inode0: I see a downside to pens
(08:43:15 PM) lcafiero: ooooh, hats.
(08:43:26 PM) inode0: they are gobbled up by anyone seeing them
(08:43:40 PM) dthomasdigital: I wear my linux journal hat all the time
(08:43:41 PM) lcafiero: <---- bald guys like him always need them
(08:43:51 PM) DemonJester: how about "New Era Fedora Hats"?
(08:44:02 PM) inode0: hats cost more than 30 cents too :)
(08:44:14 PM) ***herlo thinks hats are cost prohibitive
(08:44:18 PM) lcafiero: sigh . . . good point
(08:44:57 PM) leitz: Fewer hats but have business card drawings for them.
(08:44:57 PM) ke4qqq: can't imagine it's worse than tshirts, but far
more than 30cents
(08:45:12 PM) inode0: it is far worse than shits
(08:45:18 PM) inode0: bad typo
(08:45:19 PM) lcafiero: shirts
(08:45:24 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:46:02 PM) inode0: well, maybe not in quantity
(08:46:35 PM) inode0: we priced some for the summit in the past and
they were prohibitive in small amounts
(08:46:55 PM) ke4qqq: so are shirts in small quantities, we had to hit
200 to get decent prices iirc
(08:46:56 PM) jds2001: inode0: what did the visors cost?
(08:47:11 PM) jds2001: there werent many of those iirc
(08:47:17 PM) inode0: jds2001: I'd have to try to remember
(08:47:30 PM) inode0: no, we switched to visors because we couldn't afford hats
(08:47:43 PM) DemonJester: ke4qqq: 270 shirts to get big discount
(08:47:51 PM) jds2001: and the embroiderly is ultra-simple
(08:48:17 PM) inode0: right ke4qqq, I'm agreeing hats might be doable
in that amount
(08:48:45 PM) lcameron_: what about bouncy balls? I got a few from
Bawls... they were different
(08:48:50 PM) inode0: but we are talking about $1K+ for 300 rather
than $300 for 1K
(08:49:50 PM) herlo: inode0: nice one, watch your language!
(08:49:55 PM) inode0: in any event, hearing objection we'll revisit pens later
(08:50:03 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:50:08 PM) DemonJester: +1
(08:50:14 PM) lcameron_: +1
(08:50:23 PM) inode0: for now, we can focus on getting as many tattoos
and badges as we can swing
(08:51:04 PM) inode0: herlo: if you are available have any further
comment on banners?
(08:51:14 PM) lcafiero: actually, leitz's suggestion about spacing
swag is a good one.
(08:51:33 PM) inode0: next Q we will have big media bills
(08:51:51 PM) ***inode0 thinks we have more flexibility this Q
(08:53:36 PM) herlo: inode0: sure, I am here but semi-busy
(08:53:39 PM) herlo: I'll go fast
(08:54:05 PM) ***herlo is struggling with the banners being exported
to cmyk, but I think I got it yesterday.  Once that's done, we should
have retractable banners ordered.
(08:54:12 PM) herlo: current target date for ordering is May 1
(08:54:28 PM) inode0: that sounds excellent
(08:54:33 PM) herlo: cost is about $300-450/banner depending on style
and strength
(08:54:47 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:54:51 PM) herlo: but they fit in a 24" wide by 6" high roll-up
(08:55:01 PM) herlo: thus, they'll fit into the eventboxen
(08:55:01 PM) ***inode0 +1 to getting them as good as we can
(08:55:06 PM) ***ianweller waves
(08:55:26 PM) dthomasdigital: When do I need to start asking for
support for the event I have coming up in November (sorry to jump the
gun.)
(08:55:34 PM) inode0: next Q
(08:55:41 PM) dthomasdigital: cool
(08:55:50 PM) ***herlo points out that costs could be spread through 2
quarters if other items are ordered.  I would guess there's going to
be a setup charge too, but it should be minimal
(08:55:56 PM) herlo: and then we can order more.
(08:56:14 PM) herlo: they're going to look like this:
http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_vertical_banner_330x800.png
(08:56:49 PM) inode0: oh, so we could get one in Q1 and another in Q2
(08:56:58 PM) ***inode0 notes more flexibility
(08:57:06 PM) ***lcafiero hates that xchat makes him refer to himself
in the third person, but he likes the banners a lot
(08:57:40 PM) inode0: ok, I'd like to make a couple remarks to wrap this up
(08:57:53 PM) inode0: (1) herlo proceed and keep us posted
(08:57:59 PM) ke4qqq: on time?? surely you jest
(08:58:24 PM) herlo: inode0: yeah, 1 in q1, one in q2, maybe another in q3
(08:58:25 PM) inode0: (2) dthomasdigital get the bigger quotes and
we'll arrange to go as big as we can, and get art approval final
(08:59:05 PM) inode0: (3) inode0 will contact davdunc about tattoos
and see if we can up that to 10K and discuss transparency issues
(08:59:10 PM) herlo: ke4qqq: on time?  Was that for me?
(08:59:21 PM) ke4qqq: no for inode0
lcafiero lcamero
(08:59:39 PM) inode0: Moving on from the general budget now to
lcafiero's new request
lcafiero lcamero
(08:59:45 PM) inode0: lcafiero: go ahead
(08:59:52 PM) lcafiero: the new request, and I'll be really quick.
(09:01:07 PM) lcafiero: A while back, there was discussion whether
$750 was enough for LFNW, and quaid and i crunched some numbers for
what is now two events -- a talk by quaid and me at Oregon State and
LFNW -- and we may go a little over the $750 budget.
(09:01:10 PM) lcafiero: Or we may not.
(09:02:02 PM) lcafiero: So what I wanted to ask that since the
possibility of needing more than $750 was addressed awhile back, if I
could have $1,000 allotted instead, with the proviso that any unspent
monies will be returned.
(09:02:26 PM) inode0: unspent monies aren't leaving :)
(09:02:58 PM) lcafiero: True that, inode0 -- what I mean is that we
spend $700, there's $50 for the quarter that's available for something
else.
(09:03:38 PM) lcafiero: I understand from quaid that the number $750
is etched in stone and if we go to $751 or higher, anything over that
won't be reimbursed.
(09:04:17 PM) ke4qqq: can we see you numbers that you've crunted?
(09:04:31 PM) ke4qqq: we have stone etching tool?
(09:04:43 PM) lcafiero: I kind of wish quaid was here because we had a
worksheet but I can't remember where it is. Let me look
(09:04:46 PM) ke4qqq: crunched
(09:05:51 PM) lcafiero: right. Looking now, but there was a range of
$560 and $820, I think.
(09:06:15 PM) lcafiero: Because I undershot on the budgeting, I would
have thrown in the $70 on my own.
(09:06:30 PM) lcafiero: $750 + 70 = $820
(09:07:48 PM) lcafiero: Rats. I can't find it.
(09:08:02 PM) inode0: are there any non-travel expenses here?
(09:08:16 PM) lcafiero: quaid, white courtesy phone
(09:08:42 PM) inode0: who owns LFNW?
(09:08:46 PM) lcafiero: no, there isn't.
(09:08:47 PM) lcafiero: me
(09:08:55 PM) lcafiero: I own LFNW.
(09:08:59 PM) inode0: ok
(09:09:18 PM) lcafiero: But it speaks also to the issue of people
closer to an event owning it, but I won't bring that up now.
(09:10:40 PM) lcafiero: in any case, I was hoping for a buffer, should
I go over $750.
(09:10:45 PM) ke4qqq: lcafiero: I don't have problem with more money -
but I want us to be transparent - can you put your projected costs up
on the wiki?
(09:10:56 PM) ke4qqq: doesn't have to be now
(09:11:07 PM) lcafiero: Quaid and I had made up a worksheet that for
some reason I can't find.
(09:11:30 PM) lcafiero: Transparency is good, but I can't provide that
(see above)
(09:11:38 PM) lcafiero: so I'll just withdraw the request.
(09:11:44 PM) ke4qqq: can you do it in the next week
(09:11:49 PM) ke4qqq: within the next week
(09:11:57 PM) lcafiero: I can probably do it tomorrow morning before we leave.
(09:12:04 PM) ke4qqq: or even after the fact
(09:12:06 PM) ke4qqq: is fine
(09:12:17 PM) inode0: lcafiero: yeah, even after the fact
(09:12:42 PM) ke4qqq: there are several reasons - one it helps us plan
next year, and two it makes us more transparent
(09:12:52 PM) lcafiero: Right.
(09:12:57 PM) ke4qqq: seeing that we spent 1700 dollars on OLF last
year doesn't tell us anything really
(09:13:00 PM) lcafiero: Bear in mind I'm pretty new at this.
(09:13:08 PM) inode0: right now we don't even understand what money is
being spent on
(09:13:10 PM) ke4qqq: knowing that we bought shirts and sponsored OLF does
(09:14:00 PM) lcafiero: In LFNW case, it's almost entirely on travel
expenses, as opposed to non-travel expenses (i.e., event items, etc.)
(09:14:27 PM) lcafiero: So what I'll do is post it on the wiki and on
the list for discussion.
(09:14:30 PM) ke4qqq: so forgive me, but how many people are traveling?
(09:14:33 PM) inode0: ok, consider yourself to have some coverage if
you go over - no one cares about that I don't believe
(09:14:42 PM) ke4qqq: no we aren't worried about that
(09:14:49 PM) ke4qqq: besides our stone etching tools havne't arrived yet
(09:14:56 PM) ke4qqq: so it's not big deal :)
(09:15:00 PM) lcafiero: I'm actually thinking we can keep it under $750
(09:15:16 PM) ke4qqq: but I do want to learn from what we are spending
- and globs don't help that
(09:15:28 PM) inode0: try, it helps to be as frugal as possible, but
don't worry if you go over a bit
(09:15:55 PM) lcafiero: How many are traveling? There's lodging for at
least 6, with some doubling up. It's on the worksheet that I can't
find at the moment
(09:16:04 PM) lcafiero: Then there's food, etc.
(09:16:25 PM) ***inode0 steps out for a couple minutes
(09:16:26 PM) ke4qqq: if 6 people can travel for 1000 bucks that's awesome!
(09:17:10 PM) crossbytes: ?
(09:17:15 PM) lcafiero: Kind of. I thought we could do it for less
(09:17:28 PM) lcafiero: but I could have underestimated.
(09:17:34 PM) lcafiero: ? to me crossbytes?
(09:17:39 PM) crossbytes: yes
(09:17:41 PM) lcafiero: shoot
(09:17:46 PM) ke4qqq: no worries there
(09:18:30 PM) crossbytes: this is going to be my first enent to attend
..so i do naot know what I should do when I get there..so will it be
wise for to go?
(09:18:41 PM) crossbytes: would this helkp with the expenses...?
(09:19:00 PM) crossbytes: sorry about the spelling..
(09:20:21 PM) crossbytes: my expenses food/travel/hotel would come to
about 85-90 round trip from Vancouver wa
(09:20:37 PM) ke4qqq: crossbytes: I'd rahter pay for you to go than quaid
(09:20:53 PM) inode0: we don't even pay for food for FUDcon people who
are sponsored?!
(09:20:56 PM) ke4qqq: you getting the experience is more important
(09:21:03 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: we do for some
(09:21:15 PM) inode0: Red Hat employees
(09:21:50 PM) warren: where is the next fudcon?
(09:21:56 PM) ke4qqq: no
(09:22:01 PM) ke4qqq: for some others as well
(09:22:05 PM) inode0: I don't think we know where it will be
(09:22:07 PM) ke4qqq: RH employees we technically don't fund
(09:22:15 PM) ke4qqq: warren: Berlin
(09:22:27 PM) inode0: they get per diem, others don't unless there are
special needs I don't believe
(09:22:29 PM) ke4qqq: and after that Brazil
(09:23:01 PM) ke4qqq: crossbytes: go, enjoy, and learn. Come back more effective
(09:23:08 PM) ke4qqq: don't worry about costs
(09:23:14 PM) ke4qqq: (within reason)
(09:23:22 PM) inode0: who are the 6 people getting lodging?
(09:25:07 PM) inode0: is there a room crossbytes could split with someone?
(09:27:02 PM) ke4qqq: inode0: iirc all are sharing a room
(09:27:09 PM) inode0: all who?
(09:27:14 PM) ke4qqq: all 6
(09:27:19 PM) crossbytes: the 85-90 includes room gas and food/ my
wife is attending also... must come to aid in driving just had
problems with my sciatica nerve
(09:27:23 PM) ke4qqq: who the 6 composed are I don't know
(09:28:18 PM) crossbytes:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxFest_Northwest_%28LFNW%29_2009 for
who is attending
(09:29:01 PM) inode0: I don't know that who is attending and who is
getting a room funded by FAmNA is the same list though, that is what I
was asking.
(09:29:06 PM) lcafiero: sorry
(09:29:59 PM) lcafiero: hello?
(09:30:06 PM) inode0: we are all still here lcafiero
davdunc davej
(09:30:44 PM) lcafiero: I was worried about whether I was still here.
(09:30:55 PM) inode0: davdunc: are you still here because I'm ready to
move back to you rather than make you wait all night?
(09:31:08 PM) davdunc: inode0: present.
(09:31:19 PM) davdunc: thank you, but I made you wait.
(09:31:24 PM) inode0: Let's digress to move back to tattoos briefly to
get an update
davdunc davej
(09:31:41 PM) inode0: davdunc: fill us in on what you know
(09:32:11 PM) davdunc: thanks.  Artwork is my problem.  I have been
having a bit of difficulty getting someone to return the logo to me.
(09:33:07 PM) ke4qqq: davdunc: what logo do you need?
(09:33:14 PM) davdunc: Aztec (formerly Wolf's)  Graphics has offered
me a discounted quote.
(09:33:23 PM) davdunc: Need the symbol.
(09:33:53 PM) inode0:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/pngSzYYTMEBc9.png
(09:34:01 PM) inode0: is it still this one to be modified?
(09:35:23 PM) davdunc: that was sort of icing.  I wanted to get the
symbol from the logo for the 1.5in square tattoo.
(09:35:44 PM) davdunc: that is 1.5inx2in.
(09:35:47 PM) inode0: so the standard infinity talk bubbly?
(09:35:53 PM) inode0: bubble
(09:35:53 PM) davdunc: yea.
(09:36:04 PM) inode0: that should be easy
(09:36:43 PM) davdunc: I thought so.  I talked to Nicu and asked for
the Logo, he said to request it from logo at fedor...  and that has been
a three week ordeal.
(09:37:18 PM) ke4qqq: davdunc: send me an email
(09:37:22 PM) ke4qqq: regarding that
(09:38:05 PM) davdunc: now I know that I have not been very pushy when
it come this, but I am not sure where I am overstepping my bounds.  I
mean, I am  a newb when it comes to projects in this group.
(09:38:08 PM) davdunc: will do.
(09:38:21 PM) davdunc: ke4qqq: I will send you an email.  thanks.
(09:38:33 PM) inode0: can you fill us in on prices and quanitities?
(09:39:58 PM) davdunc: the quotes are rough.  I haven't given anyone
artwork yet, only given them what I have without approval.
(09:40:20 PM) davdunc: so roughly $220 for 5,000 tattoos.
(09:41:20 PM) inode0: right, rough is good, no quote for 10K yet?
(09:41:36 PM) ***inode0 thinks we might want to go 10K
(09:42:01 PM) inode0: we had an earlier discussion about the empowered by design
(09:42:08 PM) ***leitz has a long drive tomorrow--see you all later.
(09:42:36 PM) inode0: everyone liked it but the white or the
transparency if that were transparent seemed not so popular
(09:43:39 PM) inode0: I think the standard logo might be better? What
do others think?
(09:44:34 PM) lcafiero: just the logo for a tattoo?
(09:44:40 PM) ninjazjb_: night guys
(09:44:47 PM) ke4qqq: I like the logo myself
(09:44:56 PM) lcafiero: same here
(09:44:58 PM) ke4qqq: but I am not really the tat wearing kind
(09:45:04 PM) lcafiero: with the f in white, right?
(09:45:10 PM) lcafiero: not transparent
(09:46:19 PM) ***inode0 thinks he prefers a regular talk bubble in the
normal colors
(09:46:25 PM) lcafiero: agreed
(09:48:04 PM) inode0: ok, I'll ask davdunc then to proceed with
getting quotes for 5k and 10k with the standard logo and we'll get it
done
(09:48:24 PM) davdunc: o.k.
(09:48:47 PM) davdunc: I have the logo now.  I can move forward with
the purchase tomorrow.
(09:49:16 PM) davdunc: sorry.  the quotes.
(09:49:25 PM) ke4qqq: davdunc: it's ok, be bold!
(09:49:32 PM) ke4qqq: assume we are going to reimburse you :)
(09:50:20 PM) ***lcafiero has to get going, to get ready to travel
tomorrow morning.
(09:50:24 PM) davdunc: thanks. ke4qqq
(09:50:26 PM) inode0: yeah, if it is under $500 for 10k I'd say just
order when you are ready
(09:50:55 PM) davdunc: O.k.
(09:50:57 PM) lcafiero: +1 on tattoos, and I'll even wear one
(09:51:33 PM) inode0: ok, open floor until the top of the hour if
anyone has anything more?
(09:51:37 PM) davdunc: awesome!  will follow thorugh with purchase
provided the price is right, tomorrow morning.
(09:54:13 PM) inode0: hearing nothing shall we wrap?
(09:54:36 PM) davdunc: I have what I need.
(09:54:36 PM) inode0: hearing nothing inode0 wraps
(09:54:41 PM) inode0: 5
(09:54:42 PM) inode0: 4
(09:54:43 PM) inode0: 3
(09:54:45 PM) inode0: 2
(09:54:46 PM) inode0: 1
(09:54:51 PM) inode0: thanks everyone
(09:54:54 PM) inode0: EOM