[Ambassadors] FAmNA Meeting Minutes from 2009-09-15

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(08:00:02 PM) inode0 has changed the topic to: FAmNA Meeting: Agenda -
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Ambassadors_2009-09-15
(08:00:07 PM) inode0: Roll Call
(08:00:33 PM) ***lcafiero is here
(08:00:47 PM) crossbytes: crossbytes is here
(08:00:54 PM) ***djf_jeff is here too
(08:00:59 PM) Grantbow_: .fas grantbow
(08:01:00 PM) zodbot: Grantbow_: grantbow 'Grant Bowman' <grantbow at gmail.com>
(08:01:07 PM) lcafiero: .fas lcafiero
(08:01:08 PM) zodbot: lcafiero: lcafiero 'Larry Cafiero'
<larrycafiero at cruzio.com>
(08:01:13 PM) djf_jeff: .fas jfsaucier
(08:01:13 PM) zodbot: djf_jeff: jfsaucier 'Jean-Francois Saucier'
<jfsaucier at infoglobe.ca>
(08:01:19 PM) crossbytes: .fas crossbytes
(08:01:20 PM) zodbot: crossbytes: crossbytes 'Kevin Higgins'
<Kevin at crossbytes.org>
(08:01:25 PM) StabbyMc: .fas smcbrien
(08:01:26 PM) zodbot: StabbyMc: smcbrien '' <scott at mcbrien.net>
(08:02:17 PM) ***inode0 proceeds to announcements as stragglers arrive
(08:02:31 PM) inode0:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Toronto_2009 <- go to this
(08:03:36 PM) inode0: For ambassadors who haven't attended FUDcon in
the past I want to say it is a joy to meet so many other contributors
in person and you will be full of enthusiasm to go get things done
after attending it
(08:04:25 PM) inode0: My other announcement is more of a reminder
(08:04:49 PM) inode0: I'm planning to hand over the reins of these
meetings to others at the end of October
(08:05:22 PM) inode0: If you would like to help out with the meetings
don't be bashful
(08:05:46 PM) lcafiero: sseiersen|Laptop did a good job last time -- I
nominate him
(08:07:13 PM) sseiersen|Laptop: hm?
(08:07:20 PM) inode0: Other announcements?
(08:07:21 PM) lcafiero: UTOSC is Oct. 8-10 --
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTOSC_2009
(08:07:28 PM) lcafiero: (I think that's the wiki page)
(08:07:36 PM) ***sseiersen|Laptop is here kinda late...
(08:07:40 PM) inode0: looks like something for the events section larry
(08:07:55 PM) lcafiero: OK, sorry.
(08:08:09 PM) inode0: So was my FUDcon announcement :)
(08:08:41 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents is
next, we'll just ease into that now
(08:09:04 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: you have a topic here?
(08:09:11 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: yes
(08:09:38 PM) djf_jeff: for the Ontario Linux Fest, I wait for a
confirmation with the OLF guy that we can have something there
(08:09:52 PM) djf_jeff: if yes, the chance I take this event is 99%
(08:10:00 PM) inode0: excellent
(08:10:03 PM) djf_jeff: does somebody else from here attend OLF?
(08:10:30 PM) inode0: this is OLF North (as opposed to OLF South in Columbus)
(08:11:05 PM) lcafiero: ?
(08:11:10 PM) inode0: djf_jeff: there is someone I think is going
(08:11:53 PM) djf_jeff: I think I see that here too, but I don't
remember, I will try to launch a call tomorrow in #fedora-ambassadors
(08:12:02 PM) inode0: Karlie Robinson I think I remember mentioning it
(08:12:06 PM) Grantbow_: http://onlinux.ca/ for the record
(08:12:28 PM) djf_jeff: also, 4 days prior to OLF, me and my company
have a big Red Hat and technologies conference in Quebec City
(08:13:14 PM) inode0: http://jit.infoglobe.ca/
(08:13:23 PM) djf_jeff: we will present Red Hat technologies and a
good portion of the community side of the conference is held for
Fedora and other Fedora projects
(08:13:27 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: yes
(08:14:16 PM) djf_jeff: I hope to attract people to the community side
of the project
(08:14:31 PM) inode0: so one thing that could help here is getting an
event box for this week to catch both shows
(08:14:44 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: exactly
(08:15:21 PM) djf_jeff: if I could have an event box for the October
20 show, I could go to cover OLF on October 24 with it
(08:15:33 PM) lcafiero: When is OhioLF?
(08:15:41 PM) inode0: I don't think we have any details about how to
do that quite yet, but we should be able to
(08:15:51 PM) djf_jeff: and I think having a strong Fedora presence at
the October 20 event in Quebec is really a must
(08:16:21 PM) inode0: I believe the OLF box is headed to Pennsylvania
next and that is only 3 days before jit
(08:16:46 PM) Grantbow_: http://www.ohiolinux.org/ is Sept 25-27 in
Columbus, OH.
(08:17:02 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: what is the event in Pennsylvania?
(08:17:11 PM) lcafiero: Thanks, Grantbow_
(08:17:17 PM) inode0: http://www.cposc.org/
(08:17:39 PM) lcafiero: Central Pennsylvania . . . what inode0 said
(08:17:58 PM) djf_jeff: ok, that will be hard to get to Quebec in 2 days...
(08:18:19 PM) inode0: there is another free box but it is mostly empty
at the moment, we'll work on getting this done
(08:18:49 PM) ***lcafiero thinks we may need an event box for Canada, eh?
(08:18:58 PM) inode0: pester us about it so we don't slack too much
(08:19:16 PM) djf_jeff: what I really need is banners and media, this
is the more important stuff, the laptop and olpc is not necessary for
the jit I think
(08:20:04 PM) inode0: ok, we can certainly ship media up and perhaps
the new banners used at the summit
(08:20:22 PM) inode0: and other schwag
(08:20:41 PM) djf_jeff: inode0: that would be really appreciated
(08:20:57 PM) inode0: which brings me to a point later in the agenda
that I think makes sense to talk about now
(08:21:11 PM) inode0: Facilitating distribution of ambassador
resources in Canada
(08:21:40 PM) inode0: djf_jeff as I understand it is willing to be the
distribution person in Canada for FAmNA
(08:22:01 PM) ***Grantbow_ cheers
(08:22:01 PM) lcafiero: +1 djf_jeff
(08:22:11 PM) djf_jeff: yeah, I would be happy to help with that
(08:22:34 PM) inode0: we need to figure whether and how to get that
set up but I really think we should
(08:23:11 PM) inode0: so the next run of media automatically includes
shipping a pile up to djf_jeff (as well as any new schwag produced)
(08:23:22 PM) djf_jeff: do I need to talk with ke4qqq about this?
(08:23:57 PM) inode0: we should touch base with ke4qqq and max about it
(08:24:20 PM) inode0: I tried but didn't get a reply before the
meeting - we'll get it sorted out though
(08:24:30 PM) djf_jeff: good, I will add this on my todo list
(08:25:00 PM) inode0: I can't imagine it being any problem and the
help will be much appreciated
(08:25:43 PM) inode0: other event business?
(08:25:50 PM) lcafiero: one other thing
(08:26:23 PM) lcafiero: djf_jeff, and rislam (who is in the room
though not in the meeting), I may go to COSSFEST in Calgary in April.
(08:26:32 PM) lcafiero: Would like some Fedoran company . . . :-)
(08:26:56 PM) lcafiero: but that's for another meeting down the road.
(08:27:01 PM) ***lcafiero is done
(08:27:10 PM) djf_jeff: lcafiero: I will surely check that, never been
to Calgary before, would be a good time!
(08:27:16 PM) John_Lenin: hello ambassadors, having a meeting eh?
(08:27:20 PM) Grantbow_: http://www.cossfest.ca/
(08:27:33 PM) inode0: not going to pitch UTOSC more?
(08:27:43 PM) inode0: hello John_Lenin
(08:27:48 PM) John_Lenin: hi Inode0
(08:27:54 PM) VileGent: .fas jbwillia
(08:27:55 PM) zodbot: VileGent: jbwillia 'Ben Williams'
<vaioof at yahoo.com> - jbwilliams 'Jason Williams'
<jb.williams at tiscali.co.uk>
(08:28:18 PM) smeyer: Ok, I made it
(08:28:25 PM) VileGent: did i make it too late
(08:28:36 PM) inode0: VileGent: no, have at OLF if you want now
(08:29:22 PM) lcafiero: Well, I could . . .
(08:29:27 PM) ***sseiersen|Laptop has a nice topic for open fl for the
mailing list
(08:33:05 PM) crossbytes: u can i still need to caontact matt
(08:33:25 PM) lcafiero: inode0, 60 seconds for LinuxCon?
(08:33:31 PM) inode0: yes, go
(08:34:02 PM) inode0: mdomsch will be there, put him to work too :)
(08:34:44 PM) lcafiero: It's Sept. 21-23 in Portland, Matt McKenzie
(LinuxKnight) is quarterbacking the event, I just sent the event box
up there, we have five passes for the event for those who want to work
the booth.
(08:34:44 PM) lcafiero: That's about it.
(08:35:11 PM) lcafiero: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LinuxCon_2009
(08:35:16 PM) lcafiero: (I think)
(08:35:19 PM) inode0: I'm guessing Matt doesn't need one but touch
base with him because he will help with the booth
(08:35:24 PM) lcafiero: Right.
(08:35:48 PM) lcafiero: Jesse Keating and John Poelstra, I believe,
will also be on hand for the event, though I don't know about their
booth availability
(08:36:09 PM) lcafiero: And crossbytes -- you can make Tuesday, no?
(08:36:13 PM) crossbytes: I am setting up Laptop with Fedora
Electronic Lab spin for event
(08:36:23 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:36:28 PM) crossbytes: yes will be there 9-4
(08:37:43 PM) inode0: Shall we move to the budget hand waving segment
of tonight's program?
(08:38:00 PM) ***lcafiero readies to wave his hand.
(08:38:04 PM) inode0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/NA/Budget
(08:38:15 PM) inode0:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Community_Architecture_expenses
(08:38:44 PM) inode0: A comment: I haven't heard anything from
official sources yet about this
(08:39:14 PM) inode0: The community arch budget appears to contain
roughly the usual amount for regional support worldwide
(08:39:24 PM) lcafiero: ??
(08:39:41 PM) inode0: 20K
(08:39:47 PM) inode0: for Q3
(08:39:47 PM) ***lcafiero waves his hand furiously
(08:40:21 PM) inode0: in addition to what is listed as spent in NA in
Q3 there is about $1800 for splatter t-shirts that is MIA
(08:41:21 PM) inode0: and media needs to be produced in late Q3
(08:41:44 PM) inode0: and we committed to sponsoring UTOSC
(08:41:48 PM) VileGent: and the table for OLF is not there nor is the
UTOSC sponsorship
(08:41:57 PM) lcafiero: when you say MIA, do you mean it's not listed
or it's actually missing?
(08:42:04 PM) StabbyMc: inode0: that's not going to end up being early
Q4 (media) ?
(08:42:19 PM) inode0: I mean we have given the shirts away and there
is no accounting of paying for them
(08:42:35 PM) lcafiero: Oh.
(08:42:44 PM) Grantbow_: must not cost anything, lol
(08:43:07 PM) lcafiero: heh. But seriously, is it just a matter of the
wiki not being updated in a timely manner?
(08:43:08 PM) inode0: if we hit nov. 10 I think it will be Q3 and Q4 money
(08:43:50 PM) inode0: well, my point which I'm slowly arriving at is
that I don't think we'll have much money to spend the rest of this
year
(08:44:06 PM) StabbyMc: inode0: we probably need a standby budget item
to spend on in case F12 gets delayed and the media costs hit in Q4...
(08:44:35 PM) lcafiero: Am I reading the comm arch wiki right and that
there's $27,000 or so left for the rest of the quarter?
(08:44:39 PM) inode0: we can prepay part of the media if there is slip
(08:44:49 PM) StabbyMc: cool.
(08:45:11 PM) inode0: yes, but that isn't the ambassador budget
(08:45:21 PM) VileGent: StabbyMc,  but that is worldwide
(08:45:30 PM) Grantbow_: another backup plan is some artwork for
people to print and fold when they burn their own CD.
(08:45:51 PM) inode0: we along with the rest of the world fall into
the "Regional support" line
(08:47:03 PM) lcafiero: understood, inode0 -- but certainly some of
what is needed falls under "public, Fedora-related activities is
detailed here" as the wiki says
(08:48:00 PM) inode0: yes, all of that is spent on Fedora ... just not
ambassador stuff :)
(08:48:43 PM) ***inode0 waves hands, only one person knows
(08:49:13 PM) lcafiero: understood, but will yield and not confuse
things by asking a plethora of questions
(08:49:21 PM) inode0: So we wait for instruction, but I think we
should be thinking about being a bit more frugal in the short term
(08:49:34 PM) inode0: except move media as fast as you can
(08:49:54 PM) lcafiero: right -- must have media (could we get less
DVD and more Live CDs?)
(08:50:28 PM) crossbytes: +1 lcafiero
(08:50:32 PM) inode0: are you saying the live CDs moved faster than the DVDs?
(08:50:38 PM) lcafiero: Yes
(08:50:42 PM) Grantbow_: lots
(08:50:43 PM) smeyer: wow
(08:50:45 PM) crossbytes: yes I agree
(08:50:49 PM) inode0: opposite at the Summit
(08:51:03 PM) inode0: but everyone got the bootable image on a USB stick too
(08:51:18 PM) Grantbow_: target audience matters - newbies don't want
to install, just try it out
(08:51:39 PM) jay4rest: true
(08:51:44 PM) crossbytes: U got it Grantbow
(08:51:45 PM) inode0: well we have both in our audience
(08:51:46 PM) lcafiero: that's another option -- usb installs -- we
did that at OSCON
(08:51:52 PM) lcafiero: (because we didn't have media)
(08:51:59 PM) inode0: and producing a small amount of any one kind is
very expensive
(08:52:09 PM) Grantbow_: inode0: of course
(08:52:31 PM) inode0: I think we only produced 2200 DVDs for F11?
(08:52:45 PM) VileGent: f12 that number can be smaller
(08:53:06 PM) VileGent: cause we will not have big events like OLF and such
(08:53:14 PM) inode0: depends on the cost discount we lose by making
it smaller I think
(08:53:34 PM) inode0: DVDs could just go away if we want them to until
the live media turns into DVDs
(08:53:36 PM) jay4rest: live CD's I think are best
(08:53:43 PM) lcafiero: Well, maybe those of us who are sending out
the kits, etc., can assess in the next few weeks how many DVDs we have
left over and go from there
(08:53:58 PM) lcafiero: true that, inode0
(08:54:26 PM) inode0: the liveCDs are cheaper too, let's give that some thought
(08:54:34 PM) Grantbow_: +1
(08:54:52 PM) inode0: I suggested investigating making double sided DVDs as well
(08:54:52 PM) jay4rest: everyone can use them too
(08:55:16 PM) inode0: perhaps we can make a smaller number of those
which would be arch independent
(08:56:02 PM) inode0: installing is a better experience for most
people from the DVDs still
(08:56:14 PM) lcafiero: We should probably discuss this on f-a-l
(08:56:35 PM) inode0: ok
(08:56:41 PM) ***inode0 can take a hint
(08:56:52 PM) crossbytes: I agree since already talking about LIVE DVD's
(08:56:54 PM) ***lcafiero is not hinting, just suggesting
(08:57:11 PM) ***inode0 is all hand waved out on the budget
(08:57:40 PM) inode0: task list ... we should start using that
(08:57:49 PM) lcafiero: I have one more thing: UTOSC sponsorship?
(08:57:59 PM) inode0: what about it?
(08:58:16 PM) lcafiero: Do we need to resolve this or has it already
been approved?
(08:58:39 PM) ***lcafiero doesn't see it on the ambassador budget or
comm arch wiki.
(08:58:41 PM) inode0: approved, someone will send someone else the
agreed upon amount of money at some point :)
(08:58:49 PM) lcafiero: OK, got it. Thanks.
(08:59:01 PM) ***lcafiero stops waving hand and sits down
(08:59:04 PM) inode0: My recollection is that we agreed to sponsor the
event at $700
(08:59:36 PM) lcafiero: Sounds right, but herlo would know for sure.
(08:59:42 PM) inode0: that was going to come after the budget dust settled
(09:00:28 PM) inode0: VileGent reminded me the other that we had
talked about producing nice logo stickers
(09:00:53 PM) inode0: I think that is one thing that would be great to
have on the task list even without an owner just to remind us
(09:01:02 PM) lcafiero: +1
(09:01:16 PM) inode0: task/wish list :)
(09:01:18 PM) ***Grantbow_ runs to SF for a LUG meeting - cya later.
(09:01:49 PM) lcafiero:  . . . with a fistful of CDs and DVDs. See you Grantbow_
(09:02:00 PM) ***inode0 is finished nagging about the task list and
moves to Open Floor for sseiersen|Laptop
(09:02:55 PM) inode0: or anyone else who isn't so bashful
(09:02:59 PM) crossbytes: any news on Linux Pro Magazine other than
not using F12?
(09:03:45 PM) inode0: just that the timing wasn't right this time and
it will be reconsidered when it feels like we have to time to do it
right
(09:04:05 PM) smeyer: Thats probably for the best
(09:04:51 PM) smeyer: More work can go into it now, its not like its
off the table
(09:05:41 PM) crossbytes: was there a min max words for articles?
(09:06:43 PM) inode0: I don't know, details are with the marketing folks
(09:07:08 PM) crossbytes: ok thank you
(09:07:21 PM) inode0: I think they were very flexible
(09:07:52 PM) inode0: anything else?
(09:08:25 PM) djf_jeff: not for me, all is fine!
(09:08:25 PM) ***lcafiero is sure he has SOMETHING, but can't think of
anything right now.
(09:08:27 PM) ***inode0 hates to miss the nice topic for open floor but ...
(09:09:08 PM) inode0: there will be another open floor next month I guess
(09:09:20 PM) inode0: thanks everybody
(09:09:22 PM) inode0: 5
(09:09:25 PM) inode0: 4
(09:09:26 PM) lcafiero: next meeting is 29th?
(09:09:27 PM) inode0: 3
(09:09:32 PM) inode0: 2
(09:09:48 PM) inode0: if that is the 1st or 3rd Tuesday sure :)
(09:09:54 PM) inode0: 1
(09:10:00 PM) inode0:  /EOM