[Ambassadors] ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue 16

Nelson Marques 07721 at ipam.pt
Sun Mar 28 18:54:04 UTC 2010


On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 13:44 -0500, Xavier Naldo wrote:
> SUBJECT: Re: Contents of ambassadors digest...
> 
> 
> Just to correct ill-informed minds, I was never an ambassador in the
> first place. So we can happily dispose of the statement from whoever
> stated it. 

It's not ill-minded. It's a concern that people around Marketing have
and I can provide solid information, better, scientific production work
regarding the usage of symbology in communication and it's importance.

> Just like one of our friends has pointed out, the last picture on the
> bottom of the flyer with the dude on the far right with the thumb and
> pinky finger extended outwards does NOT represent O.G. or Original
> Gangster. 

Really? Google for it.

> I am not sure in other cultures/countries, but here in the good 'ole
> USA, that picture does NOT show any signs of O.G. It means good luck
> and ride high and good waves!! So lets drop this issue and move on.

Unnecessary information and not accurate information. That symbolize has
a name provided before and some recognized cultural associations with
it, from satanism to urban myths. So please try to be constructive, this
is not a private hype, it's something that really matters and that is
described in Marketing Management Scientific Production Work for ages,
for further information, please check Philip Kotler's Marketing
Management, I would recommend the 12th Edition, or any other scientific
database like ABN/Inform.

>  Probably a more productive way to address this in the first place
> would be to first advise the marketing team, instead of the whole
> mailing list.....I'm just saying my 2 cents :)

OK, then I will inform the Marketing List one more time regarding this.
And for your information as posted before, I had already submitted a
document with a simple communication matrix that clearly points the
evaluation of cultural differences towards international
audiences/communities or special localized minorities.

Before considering calling me a "ill-minded" person, you should clearly
focus and backup your attack with at least scientific production work.
If not, I'll brand such as trolling.

-- my personal 2 cents.

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>           1. Marketing flyers (Zoltan Hoppar)
>           2. Re: Marketing flyers (Pierros Papadeas)
>           3. Re: Marketing flyers (Jukka Palander)
>           4. Re: Marketing flyers (wonderer)
>           5. Re: ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 (Nelson Marques)
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>         Message: 1
>         Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:52:54 +0200
>         From: Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>
>         Subject: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
>         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         Message-ID:
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>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>         
>         Hi,
>         
>         I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general flyer
>         about Fedora.
>         
>         Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
>         format?
>         
>         
>         [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
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>         Message: 2
>         Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:05 +0300
>         From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
>         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
>         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         Message-ID:
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>         2010/3/28 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>:
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
>         flyer about Fedora.
>         >
>         > Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
>         format?
>         >
>         >
>         > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
>         
>         Hi Zoltan!
>         
>         I made those version independent flyers and you can have them
>         in
>         editable .odt format from the link on the wiki.
>         
>         I suggest you update them a little, mainly on two points :
>         
>         * New mailing list
>         * Current "edge" features
>         
>         Let me know if you need anything more :)
>         
>         ~?
>         
>         --
>         Pierros Papadeas
>         PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
>         http://pierros.papadeas.gr
>         pierros at papadeas.gr
>         liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
>         
>         
>         ------------------------------
>         
>         Message: 3
>         Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:04:19 +0200
>         From: Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com>
>         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
>         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         Message-ID: <1269785059.2341.8.camel at localhost.localdomain>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         
>         Hi!
>         
>         Great job. It is important to have those flyers, but I have
>         just one
>         more thing to put in consideration here.
>         
>         Why don't we say more clearly that Fedora is alternative to
>         Windows or
>         Mac OS?
>         
>         People might get bit confused if we just say it is an
>         operating system
>         based on Linux. There are a huge group of people out there who
>         does not
>         understand what is an operating system. They know Windows and
>         they may
>         know Mac or Linux (as one system), but they are not familiar
>         with Fedora
>         brand/"trade-mark".
>         
>         I think we should say more clearly the whole thing. Like:
>         
>         "Fedora Linux OS" or "Linux Fedora OS".
>         
>         Also I think we should say everywhere that it is _free_
>         alternative to
>         Windows and OSX. I think this is the only way to get Fedora
>         more known
>         within "ordinary" and "non-tech" people.
>         
>         --
>         Jukka
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 14:52 +0200, Zoltan Hoppar wrote:
>         > Hi,
>         >
>         > I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
>         flyer about
>         > Fedora.
>         >
>         > Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
>         format?
>         >
>         >
>         > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
>         >
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>         
>         Message: 4
>         Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:39:14 +0200
>         From: wonderer <wonderer4711 at gmx.de>
>         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Marketing flyers
>         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         Message-ID: <4BAF6A12.40103 at gmx.de>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>         
>         Am 28.03.2010 15:00, schrieb Pierros Papadeas:
>         > 2010/3/28 Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz at gmail.com>:
>         >
>         >> Hi,
>         >>
>         >> I have an a question: this page [1] contains an general
>         flyer about Fedora.
>         >>
>         >> Is it possible to have it somehow editable / translatable
>         format?
>         >>
>         >>
>         >> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_Fedora_flyer
>         >>
>         > Hi Zoltan!
>         >
>         > I made those version independent flyers and you can have
>         them in
>         > editable .odt format from the link on the wiki.
>         >
>         ... and I took the English Version and translated it to german
>         and
>         pasted it into the wiki.
>         I know its maybe a little bit to late for the actual ongoing
>         FAD in
>         M?nchengladbach, my apologies, but hopefully it can be used on
>         some
>         upcoming events.
>         My only change other then translating it was to change the
>         Mailinglist
>         URL. Other suggestions are welcome.
>         
>         
>         mit freundlichen Gr??en / best regards
>         Henrik Heigl - wonderer at fedoraproject.org
>         
>         PGP/GnuPG: 8237 D432 0616 D567 DBC6 3FE3 0D52 B374 F468 A5F0
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         ------------------------------
>         
>         Message: 5
>         Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:52:08 +0100
>         From: Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
>         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] ambassadors Digest, Vol 94, Issue
>         12
>         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         Message-ID: <1269787928.2283.0.camel at localhost>
>         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         
>         
>         Thank you for your expertise on this as a former gang member
>         and Fedora
>         Ambassador.
>         
>         I rest my case.
>         
>         nmarques
>         
>         On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 04:08 -0500, Xavier Naldo wrote:
>         > In regards to message 7 and onwards, listen, who cares about
>         what the
>         > meanings of the page on release notes are. Its jt plain
>         marketing and
>         > these discussions are too political. There is no way to be
>         that
>         > neutral and try not to offend everyone. This is an
>         international
>         > distro and who cares about what the photos mean or words
>         mean. it just
>         > plain fun to see the advertising page and when I looked at
>         it, I dont
>         > see anything wrong with it. So please, enough of the
>         political
>         > interpretations and lets just move forward to the real
>         topics at hand,
>         > by the way, I was in a gang and none of these things are
>         ever remotely
>         > associated with O.G., ok? I know what ganstas are so please
>         this
>         > release page DOES NOT have any associations of it!!
>         >
>         >
>         > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:37 PM,
>         > <ambassadors-request at lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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>         >         Today's Topics:
>         >
>         >           1. Re: calling for backup (Pierros Papadeas)
>         >           2. Re: calling for backup (Felix Kaechele)
>         >           3. REPORT - Open Fest 2010 (Pierros Papadeas)
>         >           4. Re: calling for backup (Neville A. Cross)
>         >           5. Re: calling for backup (David Nalley)
>         >           6. Re: calling for backup (Neville A. Cross)
>         >           7. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes.  :)
>         (Nelson
>         >         Marques)
>         >           8. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
>         (Mathieu
>         >         Bridon)
>         >           9. Re: FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes. :)
>         (Neville A.
>         >         Cross)
>         >
>         >
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>         >
>         >         Message: 1
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 14:01:40 +0200
>         >         From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
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>         >
>         >         2010/3/27 Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com>:
>         >         > Max --
>         >         >
>         >         > Sounds good to me, and I don't have any amendments
>         to make.
>         >         Let me know if I
>         >         > can join the rotation.
>         >         >
>         >         > Larry Cafiero
>         >         >
>         >         > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Max Spevack
>         >         <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
>         >         >>
>         >         >> Today seems like a good day to write this blog
>         >         post. ?Interested to hear
>         >         >> people's feedback.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> http://spevack.livejournal.com/103305.html
>         >         >>
>         >         >> --Max
>         >
>         >         Max,
>         >
>         >         This sounds like a fun-yet-important thing to do for
>         the
>         >         Fedora Project :)
>         >         I am interested too in joining the rotation.
>         >
>         >         Possibly we could also divide the
>         time-money-responsibilities
>         >         into the
>         >         4 regional FADs and FUDCON leaders. This way we
>         could have
>         >         better
>         >         results, as one "global guy" cannot "feel" each
>         regional
>         >         community as
>         >         a "regional guy" could do.
>         >
>         >         Then again the "4-regions" division could be like
>         >         fragmentation of the
>         >         global community. How about a guy for NA and LATAM,
>         and
>         >         another guy
>         >         for EMEA and APAC ?
>         >         This seems like a nice idea, as NA and LATAM have
>         many things
>         >         in
>         >         common, just like EMEA and APAC (culture, proximity,
>         less
>         >         travel
>         >         expenses etc)
>         >
>         >         What do you thing?
>         >
>         >         ~?
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Pierros Papadeas
>         >         PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
>         >         http://pierros.papadeas.gr
>         >         pierros at papadeas.gr
>         >         liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 2
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:47:26 +0100
>         >         From: Felix Kaechele <felix at fetzig.org>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID: <4BADFE5E.8080208 at fetzig.org>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>         >
>         >         I think this is really interesting. I too would like
>         to join
>         >         the rotation :D
>         >         Maybe it would be good to have two people doing this
>         as a
>         >         team. Ideally
>         >         they would be in different timezones so just in case
>         someone
>         >         needs some
>         >         attention by either one of those guys there always
>         is at least
>         >         one guy
>         >         available to talk to.
>         >
>         >         --Felix
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 3
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:20:24 +0200
>         >         From: Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
>         >         Subject: [Ambassadors] REPORT - Open Fest 2010
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <21461b361003270720j7c4f4845m1c743b7e7acc3e09 at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7
>         >
>         >         Hello my fellow Ambassadors!
>         >
>         >         Last weekend we had a nice event here in Athens [1]
>         and Fedora
>         >         was
>         >         there with a great Booth and many people :)
>         >
>         >         Needless to say, we had the best booth and presence
>         as a
>         >         community
>         >         there and we attracted many newcomers especially
>         with our
>         >         Translation
>         >         Marathon for Fedora 13 during the event.
>         >         On the wiki page [2] you can find some
>         blogposts-reports on
>         >         the event
>         >         and this [3] nice gallery of photos from our
>         presence there.
>         >
>         >         We had a dual-projector setup with many swag (mostly
>         produced
>         >         by us)
>         >         and some nice little ideas (like "Try me!" signs)
>         >
>         >         Many thanks to all the Greek fellows, that helped
>         the Fedora
>         >         be on its
>         >         best one more time :)
>         >
>         >         Next target for Fedora Greek Community is FossComm
>         2010 [4]
>         >         (we
>         >         started organizing already [5]) which is the biggest
>         foss
>         >         event in
>         >         Greece and we are more than sure that it's going to
>         be a
>         >         fabulous
>         >         appearance of Fedora there with many new persons
>         helping out.
>         >
>         >         ~?
>         >
>         >         [1] http://openfest.teipir.gr
>         >         [2]
>         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenFest_2010
>         >         [3]
>         http://picasaweb.google.com/saliyath/OpenfestAthens2010
>         >         [4] http://fosscomm.gr
>         >         [5]
>         http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/Fosscomm2010
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Pierros Papadeas
>         >         PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
>         >         http://pierros.papadeas.gr
>         >         pierros at papadeas.gr
>         >         liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 4
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:49:41 -0400
>         >         From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <f1706c1e1003270749q78e97befsf0c3fca424bb09d8 at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7
>         >
>         >         2010/3/27 Pierros Papadeas <ppapadeas at gmail.com>:
>         >         >
>         >         > This sounds like a fun-yet-important thing to do
>         for the
>         >         Fedora Project :)
>         >         > I am interested too in joining the rotation.
>         >         >
>         >         > Possibly we could also divide the
>         >         time-money-responsibilities into the
>         >         > 4 regional FADs and FUDCON leaders. This way we
>         could have
>         >         better
>         >         > results, as one "global guy" cannot "feel" each
>         regional
>         >         community as
>         >         > a "regional guy" could do.
>         >         >
>         >         > Then again the "4-regions" division could be like
>         >         fragmentation of the
>         >         > global community. How about a guy for NA and
>         LATAM, and
>         >         another guy
>         >         > for EMEA and APAC ?
>         >         > This seems like a nice idea, as NA and LATAM have
>         many
>         >         things in
>         >         > common, just like EMEA and APAC (culture,
>         proximity, less
>         >         travel
>         >         > expenses etc)
>         >         >
>         >         > What do you thing?
>         >         >
>         >         > ~?
>         >         >
>         >
>         >         I agree  with Pierros, fun and important. I have to
>         add that
>         >         it is
>         >         also a challenging position as may require deal we
>         people's
>         >         passions.
>         >
>         >         I think that up and running may be true about 15
>         hours weekly.
>         >         But to
>         >         get there will require a lot more hours each week.
>         >
>         >         Probably I will be a good idea to gather some help
>         from now
>         >         until this
>         >         position it appointed, and I will like to help.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Neville
>         >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
>         >         Linux User # 473217
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 5
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:23:46 -0400
>         >         From: David Nalley <david at gnsa.us>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Cc: fudcon-planning at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <d6e6dfeb1003270823h197e2726j82ddbed582b5c243 at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>         >
>         >         on Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Max Spevack
>         >         <mspevack at redhat.com> wrote:
>         >         > Today seems like a good day to write this blog
>         >         post. ?Interested to hear
>         >         > people's feedback.
>         >         >
>         >         > http://spevack.livejournal.com/103305.html
>         >         >
>         >         > --Max
>         >         > --
>         >         > ambassadors mailing list
>         >         > ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         >
>         https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
>         >         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         I think this is an outstanding idea.  I have one
>         comment re
>         >         the rotating.
>         >
>         >         So from an outsiders perspective, I infer that there
>         must a
>         >         lot of
>         >         internal wrangling that occurs, especially for the
>         larger
>         >         events such
>         >         as FUDcon. I suspect that alot of the internal
>         wrangling (and
>         >         I don't
>         >         mean to make it sound bad, it's just part of the
>         process, be
>         >         that
>         >         budgetary or whatever else) is the reason that the
>         community
>         >         at large
>         >         hasn't picked up the responsibility. (And if it
>         isn't, and
>         >         this is
>         >         something the community should be picking up, please
>         correct
>         >         me, I'd
>         >         hate to think that we want FUDcons and FADs so bad
>         and yet
>         >         aren't
>         >         doing the work thats needed if it's something we can
>         do). That
>         >         leads
>         >         me to believe that this internal wrangling has a
>         learning
>         >         curve that
>         >         is non-trivial, and that repeating it would be a
>         waste of time
>         >         and
>         >         resources. If it takes a month to get someone up to
>         speed,
>         >         having to
>         >         repeat it for each FUDcon sounds likely to be an
>         excercise in
>         >         frustration.
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 6
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:46:03 -0400
>         >         From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] calling for backup
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <f1706c1e1003270946p4f099c25i668b10c5b36d082b at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>         >
>         >         On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM, David Nalley
>         <david at gnsa.us>
>         >         wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > I think this is an outstanding idea. ?I have one
>         comment re
>         >         the rotating.
>         >         >
>         >         > So from an outsiders perspective, I infer that
>         there must a
>         >         lot of
>         >         > internal wrangling that occurs, especially for the
>         larger
>         >         events such
>         >         > as FUDcon. I suspect that alot of the internal
>         wrangling
>         >         (and I don't
>         >         > mean to make it sound bad, it's just part of the
>         process, be
>         >         that
>         >         > budgetary or whatever else) is the reason that the
>         community
>         >         at large
>         >         > hasn't picked up the responsibility. (And if it
>         isn't, and
>         >         this is
>         >         > something the community should be picking up,
>         please correct
>         >         me, I'd
>         >         > hate to think that we want FUDcons and FADs so bad
>         and yet
>         >         aren't
>         >         > doing the work thats needed if it's something we
>         can do).
>         >         That leads
>         >         > me to believe that this internal wrangling has a
>         learning
>         >         curve that
>         >         > is non-trivial, and that repeating it would be a
>         waste of
>         >         time and
>         >         > resources. If it takes a month to get someone up
>         to speed,
>         >         having to
>         >         > repeat it for each FUDcon sounds likely to be an
>         excercise
>         >         in
>         >         > frustration.
>         >
>         >         I think that the open participation and the aim to
>         provide
>         >         chances to
>         >         different locations for events are bound to require
>         this
>         >         repeating
>         >         exercise, frustrating and all... yet another
>         characteristic
>         >         for the
>         >         person appointed for such task: Patience (lot of
>         it!)
>         >
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Neville
>         >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
>         >         Linux User # 473217
>         >
>         >         - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>         - -
>         >         Check: http://www.clickmanagua.com
>         >         - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>         - -
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 7
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:14:03 +0000
>         >         From: Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
>         release
>         >         notes.  :)
>         >         To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID: <1269710043.2635.1.camel at localhost>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>         >
>         >
>         >         It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
>         strongly
>         >         disagree with
>         >         the image presented as it clear shows signs of
>         "Ghetto
>         >         culture". You
>         >         shouldn't address an international community
>         displaying such
>         >         symbols.
>         >         Every time that Communication hits International
>         Communities
>         >         or
>         >         Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at
>         cultural level.
>         >
>         >         Just my 2 cents...
>         >
>         >         nm
>         >
>         >
>         >         On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 03:33 -0400, David Ramsey
>         wrote:
>         >         > Hello Everyone,
>         >         >
>         >         > Greetings. :)
>         >         >
>         >         > =============================================
>         >         >
>         >         > FYI Fedora 12 one page release notes.  :)
>         >         >
>         >         > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_tour
>         >         >
>         >         > Looks very professional and useful.  :)
>         >         >
>         >         > =============================================
>         >         >
>         >         > Sending positive Fedora 12 and Fedora 13 energy
>         from my
>         >         computer to yours.  :v)
>         >         >
>         >         > Please have a great day and/or evening! :~)
>         >         >
>         >         > Thank You
>         >         > Sincerely
>         >         > =-=-=-=-=
>         >         > - David -
>         >         > =-=-=-=-=
>         >         > David Ramsey
>         >         > ---------------------------------
>         >         > ????
>         >         > ????????
>         >         > 10 people 10 colors
>         >         > Different strokes for different folks
>         >         > =
>         >         > Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador
>         >         dramsey at fedoraproject.org
>         >         > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey
>         >         > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
>         running the
>         >         Fedora 12 (Constantine) kernel -
>         2.6.32.10-88.fc12.i686.PAE
>         >         > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
>         running the
>         >         Fedora 13 (Goddard) kernel -
>         2.6.33.1-19.fc13.i686.PAE
>         >         > * Two (2) dual core systems with 3.0 GB of RAM
>         running the
>         >         Fedora 13
>         >         > (Goddard) kernel - 2.6.33-1.fc13.i686.PAE
>         >         > With eight (8) x86_64 computing cores, 16 GB of
>         RAM and two
>         >         SATA Seagate 7200.12 500 GB harddisks.
>         >         > =
>         >         >
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>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt>
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 8
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:24:15 +0100
>         >         From: Mathieu Bridon <bochecha at fedoraproject.org>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
>         release
>         >         notes. :)
>         >         To: 07721 at ipam.pt,
>         ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <2d319b781003271024k362de97cm8f31764ec9b2a9ec at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>         >
>         >         On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 18:14, Nelson Marques
>         <07721 at ipam.pt>
>         >         wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         > It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
>         strongly
>         >         disagree with
>         >         > the image presented as it clear shows signs of
>         "Ghetto
>         >         culture".
>         >
>         >         You mean 3 friends being happy to work together is a
>         sign of ?
>         >         ghetto
>         >         culture ? ?
>         >
>         >         This photo shows nothing more than how great it is
>         to be
>         >         contributing
>         >         to the Fedora Project, don't try to see anything
>         more :)
>         >
>         >
>         >         ----------
>         >         Mathieu Bridon
>         >
>         >
>         >         ------------------------------
>         >
>         >         Message: 9
>         >         Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:37:55 -0400
>         >         From: "Neville A. Cross" <nacross at gmail.com>
>         >         Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FYI Fedora 12 one page
>         release
>         >         notes. :)
>         >         To: 07721 at ipam.pt,
>         ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>         >         Message-ID:
>         >
>         >
>          <f1706c1e1003271037j49796f47kba8cc0e6a0b1bc75 at mail.gmail.com>
>         >         Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>         >
>         >         On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nelson Marques
>         >         <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         > It's nicely done, though on "Help make Fedora" I
>         strongly
>         >         disagree with
>         >         > the image presented as it clear shows signs of
>         "Ghetto
>         >         culture". You
>         >         > shouldn't address an international community
>         displaying such
>         >         symbols.
>         >         > Every time that Communication hits International
>         Communities
>         >         or
>         >         > Minorities, it should be reviewed carefully at
>         cultural
>         >         level.
>         >         >
>         >         > Just my 2 cents...
>         >         >
>         >         > nm
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >
>         >         I looked for the wiki and found that at:
>         >
>         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_12_one_page_release_notes
>         >         Can you elaborate? Seriuosly.
>         >         Because as I am part of the international community,
>         I am too
>         >         far off
>         >         to identify what you mean by Ghetto Culture in that
>         picture. I
>         >         really
>         >         don't get your point, and I think is worth
>         exploring.
>         >         For me one thumb up is good. Extending thumb and
>         little finger
>         >         is a
>         >         surfer sing, people have told me it means a wish for
>         good
>         >         waves to
>         >         ride on.
>         >
>         >         Best regards
>         >
>         >         --
>         >         Neville
>         >         https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Yn1v
>         >         Linux User # 473217
>         >
>         >         - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>         - -
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>         - -
>         >
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