[Ambassadors] New regional Ambassador Mentors

Larry Cafiero larry.cafiero at gmail.com
Tue Nov 9 21:11:15 UTC 2010

Rather than point out where I think Marcus is, and has been, fundamentally
wrong about this topic since the start of this discussion -- I'll do that in
a blog item -- I believe we should invoke David Nalley's suggestion to shut
down this thread since the 24-hour period to NOT discuss it was not adhered

Can someone take care of this?

Larry Cafiero

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Marcus Moeller <mail at marcus-moeller.de>wrote:

> Hi Christoph,
> >> I am not yes sure if it's the best way to have a permanent list to
> >> pick from or to have something like a call for mentors (on demand), so
> >> when new mentors are needed for a specific region, this is announced
> >> and ppl who are interested can raise their voice on that.
> >
> > This doesn't make a difference. You will get the people who *want* to
> > become a mentor, not the people who *you* *want* to become one. You will
> > get the people who *think* they can be mentors but not the people who in
> > the eyes of the community can be one.
> Electing ppl or raising ppl from inside a board (on base of personal
> friendships or whatever) is IMHO definitely not the way things should
> happen in an open ecosystem. You say you want the best from the best?
> Just announce that new mentors are needed, let them put their name on
> the list or propose one if you think he/she is the best for that job.
> These are standard procedures which do not cause much overhead or
> 'make things complicated' like some might complain.
> > Again, you are not saying anything on the things I mentioned. I think it
> > is hard to discuss with you. I'm trying to make my points and explain my
> > point of view but you just say ... basically nothing.
> > Please be so kind as to respond to the questions I raise, otherwise we
> > cannot make any progress in this discussion.
> Sorry, the only point I get from you is that everybody could get
> things done, which is obviously (always) right and which is even part
> of the proposal and that FAmSCo should keep their privilege of
> electing mentors from inside.
> Let's open up the process and give everyone the chance to take part.
> Just to note: I really don't like the tone of discussions on this list
> and would like to ask at least you (Christoph) and Joerg to 'slow
> down' a bit because in general I think we are heading in the same
> direction and instead of blaming/fighting each other we should try to
> get closer to get things done. It's not much that I want to change and
> I even do not have a solution for every question. But I have much
> experience with similar problems in other open source projects and I
> am still in hope that Fedora is a 'bit better'.
> --
> Greets
> Marcus
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