[Ambassadors] New regional Ambassador Mentors

Larry Cafiero larry.cafiero at gmail.com
Thu Nov 11 17:10:00 UTC 2010

This thread has been down for the requested 24 hours and, as I understand
it, it is back up again.

Larry Cafiero

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com>wrote:

> Rather than point out where I think Marcus is, and has been, fundamentally
> wrong about this topic since the start of this discussion -- I'll do that in
> a blog item -- I believe we should invoke David Nalley's suggestion to shut
> down this thread since the 24-hour period to NOT discuss it was not adhered
> to.
> Can someone take care of this?
> Larry Cafiero
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Marcus Moeller <mail at marcus-moeller.de>wrote:
>> Hi Christoph,
>> >> I am not yes sure if it's the best way to have a permanent list to
>> >> pick from or to have something like a call for mentors (on demand), so
>> >> when new mentors are needed for a specific region, this is announced
>> >> and ppl who are interested can raise their voice on that.
>> >
>> > This doesn't make a difference. You will get the people who *want* to
>> > become a mentor, not the people who *you* *want* to become one. You will
>> > get the people who *think* they can be mentors but not the people who in
>> > the eyes of the community can be one.
>> Electing ppl or raising ppl from inside a board (on base of personal
>> friendships or whatever) is IMHO definitely not the way things should
>> happen in an open ecosystem. You say you want the best from the best?
>> Just announce that new mentors are needed, let them put their name on
>> the list or propose one if you think he/she is the best for that job.
>> These are standard procedures which do not cause much overhead or
>> 'make things complicated' like some might complain.
>> > Again, you are not saying anything on the things I mentioned. I think it
>> > is hard to discuss with you. I'm trying to make my points and explain my
>> > point of view but you just say ... basically nothing.
>> > Please be so kind as to respond to the questions I raise, otherwise we
>> > cannot make any progress in this discussion.
>> Sorry, the only point I get from you is that everybody could get
>> things done, which is obviously (always) right and which is even part
>> of the proposal and that FAmSCo should keep their privilege of
>> electing mentors from inside.
>> Let's open up the process and give everyone the chance to take part.
>> Just to note: I really don't like the tone of discussions on this list
>> and would like to ask at least you (Christoph) and Joerg to 'slow
>> down' a bit because in general I think we are heading in the same
>> direction and instead of blaming/fighting each other we should try to
>> get closer to get things done. It's not much that I want to change and
>> I even do not have a solution for every question. But I have much
>> experience with similar problems in other open source projects and I
>> am still in hope that Fedora is a 'bit better'.
>> --
>> Greets
>> Marcus
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