[Ambassadors] sponsorship from Microsoft to freesoftware events in Nicaragua

Fri Mar 18 13:01:48 UTC 2011

Thanks for that, it sounds like past history bears out that my train of
thought was correct.

by the way, I had to google, "ajedres" means chess.

I have a question about your friend.. were the talks about interoperability
scripted by Microsoft (at least in part)?
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Las gracias por eso, suena como última historia confirma que mi tren del
pensamiento estaba correcto.

a propósito, tuve que google, " ajedres" significa chess.

Tengo una pregunta sobre su amigo. ¿eran habla de interoperabilidad con
guión por Microsoft (por lo menos en parte)?

Blame babelfish for the above translation:)

Greg

2011/3/18 José Edgardo López Vásquez <magjogui at gmail.com>

> Dear Neville, let me tell you that the last year in San Salvador,for the
> same event, in the Salvadorean Comunity we accept to have some microsoft
> present in the (flisol) after discuss in the Salvadorean Comunity but we
> never accept money.
>
> The agrement was that:
>
> - 0 banners
> - No logos
> - Nothing about microsoft
>
> they accept,and said no no problem we just want to speak about
> interoperability but then....
>
> Making deals with Microsoft, at least in my experience is like believing in
> the Wolf of the Little Red Riding Hood story as they (MS) first started
> with this success have been in that event, then wanted to sponsor an event
> of drupal, which as direct organizer I refused to accept money, in my
> opinion and maybe very hard trial, Microsoft has nothing to do in an event
> of FOSS.
>
> As they thought it, they then wrote an email saying that in honor of
> discussing interoperability invited us to eat pizza (a good challenge geek
> not to accept an invitation to eat pizza) and that they financed
> To which the Salvadoran community refused completely ...
>
> That followed?, well, they literally tried to bribe a close friend to
> agree to pay him the journey to a Drupal event, he was invited to give
> talks to them directly, again using the same technique ("interoperability
> "). ..
>
> In my view it is difficult, especially when there are no funds, as in the
> case of our community (El Salvador) yet we do not accept and took out the
> event ...
>
> Of course that's my experience, and as if we as a community of fedora I
> think it is necessary to accept anything from them, says Gregory Fenton *"Who
> wants a fedora hat with a fedora logo on one side and a "sponsored by
> Microsoft (windows logo)" on the other side of it?"*
>
> *"Unless Microsoft is willing to simply hand over the funds to support
> fedora with no strings attached apart from declaring where the money has
> been spent I would say "fedora is doing perfectly fine without your support,
> thank you very much."*
>
>
> As if that were not enough, as he commented to my friend who tried to
> bribe them you know you know who you are and what position you play the role
> of the community, if it were a party of ajedres know your game, your
> techniques and the noble or not you can be ... even asked for you "If you"
> Neville Cross, because they know the support we receive from you (By the
> way THANKS for the total support for the Fedora community in El Salvador
> ...")
>
> You see, this trick make interoperability between operating systems and between
> proprietary software is only a white lie to soon achieve even separation
> or fragmentation of communities and create controversy .... in the case of El
> Salvador we had a good time thinking and discussing what to do ....
>
> in my case I was more brief, NO, period ....
>
> I hope you serve something shared my experience anything better came to
> Nicaragua to help but do not accept or five of Microsoft ...
>
> best regards.
>
> -- magjogui
>
>  <http://yosiuso.tatica.org/>
> José Edgardo López Vásquez
>
> fedora Ambassador [El Salvador]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Magjogui
> https://www.fedoraproject.org
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>
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>
>
>
> 2011/3/18 Gregory Fenton <fedora at fedoradvds.com>
>
>> 1) It's Microsoft, champion of all things Microsoft to the detriment of
>> everything else.
>> 2) Financial support is financial support.  If it helps one more person
>> make the jump from closed to open source software then it is an achieved
>> goal.
>>
>> I tend to look beyond the immediacy of any issue and ask myself if x does
>> y what would the desired result be.
>>
>> If Microsoft funds fedora projects they can achieve a major win almost
>> immediately:
>> "Why bother installing fedora when most of the software that works on
>> fedora also works out of the box on Windows? Even their own ambassadors are
>> changing their events to discuss the interoperability between their software
>> and Windows.  Why bother with installing a new OS when you can have good old
>> tried and trusted Windows running not only all the freeware software out
>> there but also all the windows apps that linux simply can't handle?"
>>
>> Who wants a fedora hat with a fedora logo on one side and a "sponsored by
>> Microsoft (windows logo)" on the other side of it?
>>
>> Unless Microsoft is willing to simply hand over the funds to support
>> fedora with no strings attached apart from declaring where the money has
>> been spent I would say "fedora is doing perfectly fine without your support,
>> thank you very much."
>>
>> On 18 March 2011 10:17, Tristan Santore <
>> tristan.santore at internexusconnect.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> To be honest, if they do take some of their billions and financially
>>> support FOSS projects, mainly to make them work on more than just linux,
>>> then good, about time they used their money for some good.
>>>
>>> But I suspect there are ulterior motives in this approach:
>>>
>>> 1. They are cutting their own costs by not having to use their own
>>> testing people, as I know they have labs where they check
>>> interoperability between windows and Linux services.
>>>
>>> 2. They figured Apple is looking quite evil now in the eyes of the FOSS
>>> community, in terms of behaviour and openness, so they are trying to
>>> make themselves look more favourable.
>>>
>>> 3. They are trying to grab off some Linux users, by making the same
>>> standard applications work on windows, which basically means they are
>>> scared. (which will work in the GNU Linux Operating system becoming more
>>> "accessible" to people, as they will say, well, I already use most of
>>> the same applications, I may as well save money, be more secure, and
>>> efficient, and use a Linux based operating system).
>>>
>>> 4. The main reason why they are there, is to show presence, as many
>>> business service providers are now actively seeking cost cutting
>>> measures, which makes them more profitable, and Linux is an attractive
>>> way to do this. (great for the FOSS community too).
>>>
>>> So all in all, as far as I am concerned, they can do whatever they like,
>>> as long as they do not make people sign stupid legal agreements to
>>> prevent them from doing what they want with their FOSS
>>> product/developments. If Amarok got 100k in support, for instance, I
>>> could not care less, if it makes Amarok even better. You may replace
>>> Amarok with any other application of your choice in that example.
>>>
>>> I would not be too concerned, after all, there is a reason why people
>>> like FOSS, especially hackers, as they can just code and do not have to
>>> worry about libraries and licenses and god knows what else. You just
>>> want to have fun with software/code.
>>> And as a user, typing in serials, and clicking agreement buttons, yuck,
>>> no thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tristan
>>>
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>>>
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>>> (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down,
>>> and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust)
>>>
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>>> TSantore at fedoraproject.org
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