[Ambassadors] [EMEA] - Cheat Cube decission was Re: EMEA ambassadors meeting 2011-03-23 minutes

Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert at googlemail.com
Thu Mar 24 09:08:44 UTC 2011

Am Donnerstag, den 24.03.2011, 09:21 +0100 schrieb Joerg Simon:
> On 03/24/2011 12:00 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
> > Quite a long meeting today...
> Indeed! ;)
> I asked Zoltan to appologize my absence, can not see that in the logs,
> anyway, i could not attend in this very important meeting.
> I want to clarify some things on the Ressource Discussion.
> > 21:52:30 <cwickert> #info FAmSCo chair must not approve items that
> > have not been discussed by the regional teams yet
> > 21:56:12 <zoltanh7211> cwickert: it has been ordered, and the company
> > awaiting the first half amount
> > 21:56:22 <cwickert> damn
> > 21:56:30 <cwickert> this really sucks
> While i agree that it makes sense to produce larger ammounts of stuff at
> the cheaper location

not only cheaper, I think the quality is also important. Gerold's cubes
are of much better quality.

>  and that we should decide together where to invest
> money, i have to say that with the situation right now in EMEA the
> shipping of centralized SWAG is no optimal. And therefore we encourage
> the people to produce SWAG localy and get reimbursed or payed by PayPal
> this is the working way right now.

I feel the opposite is true: Swag should be centralized, because with
the local approach causes more work and higher shipping costs.

Imagine you are doing an event and need media, shirts, buttons and
cheatcubes. You have to write mails to 4 different ambassadors.
I then send media from Germany and you send shirts from Germany, too.
Pierros sends buttons from Greece and Zoltan cheatcubes from Hungary - 4
people have work and pay shipping. This is not efficient. When I send
the media, I can easily add stuff on top with no extra costs and only
very little additional work.

> Decissions by FAmSCo are done by quorum and every FAmSCo Member has the
> same rights if it is comes to making decissions. But there is a
> agreement with CommArch that FAmSCo Members can decide and agree a
> ammount of budget themselves if it is under a fixed ammount - 400€. This
> happened here and Zoltan had every right to take care for his region.
> And Pierros had the right to decide without asking FAmSCo because the
> ammount was low enough.

Thanks for your clarification Jörg, but I still don't understand. One
the one hand you say that decisions are done by a FAmSOc quorum, on the
other you say that individual FAmSCo members can make a decision.

      * What happens if the quorum does not agree?
      * What happen if the ambassadors do not agree?
      * Why are we discussing voting on things in the regional meetings
        if a single FAmSCo member can make a different decision?
      * Does that mean that FAmSCo can make different decisions than the
        local groups?

I agree that these are just theoretical questions in this context
because we all agree we want the Cheat Cubes. However harm has been done
as two persons invested time and money. We could have made a decision
earlier (especially when we are not to decide anyway) and we would have
gotten a better quote if we ordered a larger amount.


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