[Ambassadors] The Future of release names
Onyeibo Oku
twohotis at gmail.com
Tue May 15 20:18:36 UTC 2012
+1
I like this one :)
Onyeibo
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 22:08 +0200, Antonio Trande wrote:
> Not even using the only numbers is possible to identify the Fedora
> improvements in the time, maybe can do that only with its age.
> Actually i see Fedora 16, 17, 18 too detached by its code names
> (Verne, Beefy Miracle, Spherical Cow respectively), as were for the
> older releases, but i respected this tradition.
>
> Is for this reason that i have suggested the Roman Emperors names for
> Fedora. :)
>
> Creating an imaginary line (Fedora Codename Theme) that connects all
> the releases in the time (in addition to the "cold numbers") , we can
> identify more easily a release in my opinion. Over to match a specific
> release with an its particular feature, for example
>
> Fedora 20 Trajan released with Grub 3.0, then Fedora 21 Hadrian
> (Hadrian is a successor of Trajan) released with Grub 3.1
>
> Too bizarre ? :D
>
> 2012/5/14 Jukka Palander <jukka at devspain.com>
> On Sat, 2012-05-12 at 13:29 -0500, inode0 wrote:
> > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Jukka Palander
> <jukka at devspain.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2012-05-10 at 11:58 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 2012-05-09 at 01:39 -0700, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> > >> > I've put up a wiki page that tries to summarize the
> answers to the first two
> > >> > questions that I've seen circulated on the
> advisory-board mailing list and a
> > >> > link to the only proposal I currently know of (mizmo's
> proposal to use
> > >> > a single theme for all of the new Fedora releases).
> > >>
> > >> I didn't see a link to the wiki page here or elsewhere in
> the thread so:
> > >>
> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Future_Release_Naming
> > >>
> > >> If you are interested please add your name to the list so
> we can move
> > >> forward.
> > >>
> > >> ~m
> > >
> > >
> > > I had a thought on this and I would like to ask _why name
> them at all_
> > > because we already _number_ them?
> >
> > We already name them, so why bother numbering them at
> all? :)
>
>
>
> Yes. Completely agree. One (of them) has to go!
>
>
> > > Fedora Name+number or Fedora number+name sounds like
> having toast on
> > > toast to me. People will use the number anyhow when
> discussing things
> > > around Fedora. Such as "I'm still running Fedora 15"
> rather than "I'm
> > > still running Fedora
> > > fancy-name-where-no-one-remembers-what-release-it-was".
> >
> > No one is ever going to remember or use the release name as
> long as
> > the Fedora Project on its own website and elsewhere hardly
> ever
> > mentions it while sticking Fedora <insert some meaningless
> number
> > here> in our faces. If we referred to our releases by name
> so would
> > other people.
>
>
>
> Why they have to (put them to) remember the "release name"
> when we have
> an _advantage_ for the number to be remembered
> _automatically_?
>
> Numbers has one very good reason to be in there: By numbering
> people
> will know _immediately_ which one is the latest and newest! By
> naming
> "no-one" remembers how old the release is until checked from
> the release
> history.
>
> In example I could not remember which was and when out from
> from these:
>
> -Tettnang
> -Laughlin
> -Constantine
> -Moonshire
> -Lovelock
> -Leonidas
>
> Just put those _QUICKLY_ in the right order without referring
> into the
> page:
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names
>
> It is just _soooooooo much_ easier to say that number 14 must
> be OLD(er)
> than 16 and that already is without support.
>
> Fancy names do not do much good and double naming is
> completely idiotic.
>
>
> > The release name's purpose is not to be used that way
> though, it never
> > has been intended for that as our website demonstrates. The
> fact that
> > few people refer to the release name when discussing Fedora
> isn't
> > really relevant to whether we should have a release name. It
> certainly
> > wasn't the standard of value used prior to now.
>
>
>
> Why the release name is in there then? ..not for the "website
> demonstrates" (whatever it means) and not for the discussions
> (when
> people _will_ say the _number_ what they are using or
> suggesting instead
> than _name_) ??? Please tell me why, why?
>
>
> > John
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>
>
> I strongly suggest that we should go into our own paths and
> simply throw
> "naming" to the bin. If other distributions (whatever OS) keep
> their
> naming, why should we do the same?
> We want to be first and in here we can be first to go out from
> those
> stupid names. We could (and should) simplify things in here as
> well.
>
> ...and by making things simple for the common users; It really
> is the
> Fedora way!
>
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